New non-perk Spitfire possibilities.

[Karnak]

Now, you all know I like the Spitfire F.MkXIVc a little, but, as much as I hate to say it, I think the Spit 14 is too good to be added as a non-perk aircraft. Here is what I think would be viable:

Spitfire F.MkVIII: The ultimate Merlin engined Spitfire.  The Spit 8s extra fuel capacity was very useful in the Pacific Theatre as well as on sweeps over the continent.

Spitfire LF.MkIX: The most common Spit 9 and much more representative of Spitfire 9s in 1944.  In contrast, only the first 300 Spit 9s were Fs like we have.

Spitfire MkXII: The first combat Spitfire with a Griffon engine, but it is only a 1,700hp single stage Griffon, not the monster 2,050hp two stage Griffon 65/66 of the Spitfire XIV.  Clipped wings would give it an awesome roll rate.

Spitfire MkXVIe: 1944 Spitfire using a Packard Merlin and with a bubble canopy.

The Germans have 4 109s, covering '41, '42, '43 and '44. They also have 5 190s ranging from '42 to '45.
The Americans will now have 3 P-47s, each with nearly identical performance.

Yet the British only have 3 Spits (two do have nearly identical performance, not that that is a good thing), and two of those are from '41 with the third being only a year more advanced from mid '42.

It seems clear that at some point more Spitfires, and not just a Spitfire MkIa, need to be added.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!

Sisu
-Karnak

[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 04-18-2001).]

[Sable]

Do you happen to have a production breakdown for the Spitfire?  Also what units used the Spit VIII?  Thanks!

Sable
352nd FG

[Nashwan]

Mark Total
I 1567
II 920
PRIV 229
V 6487
VI 100
VII 140
VIII 1658
IX 5665
PR X 16
PR XI 476
XII 100
XIII 44
XIV 957
XVI 1054
XVIII 300
PR XIX 225
F21 122
F22 278
F24 81

Seafires
IB 166
IIC 372
F III 1250
XV 390
XVII 232
45 44
46 26
47 90

I don't know which units used the VIII, but it was used in Italy as well as the far east. I don't think it was used from British bases.

[-tronski-]

 251 Mk VIIIs (A58-300/550)and 159 HF Mk VIIIs (A58-600/758) served with the RAAF.

 Equipping 79, 85, 452, 457 RAAF
 and Nos 54, 548 and 549 Sqns RAF in Australian service.

Vickers Supermarine Spitfire Mk VIII

POWER PLANT: One 1,520 hp Merlin 61, or 1,710 hp Merlin 63/63A.

DIMENSIONS: Span, 36 ft. 10 ins.; length, 31 ft. 3 1/2 ins; height, 11 ft. 8 1/2 ins.

WEIGHTS: Loaded, 7,767 lb; max. permissible, 8,000 lb.

PERFORMANCE: Max speed. 408 mph at 25,000 ft. Climb rate, 7 mins to 20,000
 ft. Service ceiling, 43,000 ft.

ARMAMENT: Two 20 mm cannons plus four 0.303 guns, and 1,000 lb of bombs.


 Tronsky
 486 Sqn (NZ), "hiwa hau maka"

[funked]

Those would be great.

I can't imagine why the Mk. XIV would be a perk plane though, while better-performing planes that appeared later in the war in fewer numbers are not perked.

[Tac]

"Yet the British only have 3 Spits"

Gimme 2 other versions of P-38 (J and D) and you can have as many sissyfires as you want    

[Citabria]

p38D was an abomination

P-38F is representative of the first of the lightnings much moreso than the P-38D which only scored 1 kill in ww2.

[Karnak]

Tac,
The P-38 was not the mainstay fighter of the US (not that the US had a mainstay fighter) whereas the Spitfire was the mainstay fighter of the RAF, like the Bf109 and Fw190 were for the Germans.  In addition, your P-38 is a 1944 aircraft.

If I can have a 1944 Spitfire you can have as many 1941 and 1942 P-38s as your heart desires.

BTW, my roommate agrees with you.  The P-38 is his favorite fighter.  He'd like a P-38D, P-38J and P-38K.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!

Sisu
-Karnak

[Tac]

cc citabria, but its got a 37mm cannon. Could be a great ground attack and possibly a good buff killer  

P-38 was the mainstay fighter in the PTO for most of the war... and even still there are 3 versions of jug and 2 versions of pony, 3 versions of spit. My 2 engined beut is being forgotten!!  

IMO, i'd rather see a hurricane before another spit, there were much more hurricanes than spitfires in the war. I'd vote for a 12 303 gunned hurricane!      

[funked]

Get this thread back on topic.    

More Spits!!!    

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 04-18-2001).]

[Karnak]

Tac,

A Hurricane should be done eventually, but not yet.  It'd be a sitting duck, the slowest fighter in AH by far, no acceleration and no climb.  When HTC starts on the early war aircraft then it will be time to add the Hurricane.

16,000 Hurricanes were built.
22,000 Spitfires and Seafires were built, more than 21,000 before and during the war.

The Hurricane shot down more German aircraft than the Spitfire until 1943, whereupon the Spitfire overtook it in total kills.

Please explain to me how there were more Hurricanes than Spitfires in WWII.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!

Sisu
-Karnak

[gatt]

Yes, we need both the LFIX and the XIV (not perked, imho). The latter was in combat before the P-51D. But give us an MW50 Bf109G-6 as well  

[GRUNHERZ]

 U can get MkI, thats it!   j/k

[Thud]

 

Originally posted by Karnak:
Tac,

A Hurricane should be done eventually, but not yet.  It'd be a sitting duck, the slowest fighter in AH by far, no acceleration and no climb.  When HTC starts on the early war aircraft then it will be time to add the Hurricane.

The Hurricane should be added immediately, it will serve as the ground pounding alternative to the dweebhog with which it shares it 4 hispanolaserarmament(IIC). Or as tank killer (IID) or flying machinegun nest (IIB). Maybe only extremely brave and manly people with principles will use it as regular ride but that doesn't disqualify it right? Has the 202 been removed?......

Besides it's such a classic it would be an abomination, in the order of not adding spits at all, not adding the Hurri.

Soon to be introduced with 1.07:
 

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Thud1/Bies

Bring the Hurricane (MKIIC) to AH! (together with the Invader!)

[Jochen]

One or two Spitfire versions would be fine!

Some low alt version with clipped wings would be really dangerous opponent. And early griffon engined version would be nice step towards the ultimate Spit XIV.

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jochen / Gefechtsverband Kowalewski

Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87D, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.

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