Tempest vs Spitfire XIV

[MachFly]

I don't want to get fyvsix's thread locked so lets just continue the conversation here...


Here is the link to the thread where it all started end of page 1 and page 2.

[MachFly]

He can disengage at the first sign of trouble and you're not going to do squat diddly about it.

He is not going to teliport out of there, it will take him time to accelerate

Even should you drop in from 7K above the Tempest, his acceleration and dive profile exceeds yours.  Therefore, he, not you, controls the engagement length

Should you take the chance and dive with the Tempy, he's bringing you down into his best performance area, and your worst.

Be smart, let him run, stay up high

Therefore, he, not you, controls the engagement length.

yes, i have no doubt about it, that is if he knows what he is doing...

Yes you have a better climber, at a paltry 500 feet per minute at any altitude that matters (10-15K)  You put your nose up, you're giving those Hispanos a shot,

That would be very stupid to just start climbing on equal energy with a temp on your 6, just make a few turns and he loses you.

You don't have superior escape potential, and you do not control the length of the engagement.

If someone is in a plane that has superior escape potential, he controls how long the engagement lasts, and mostly on what terms it will be fought.

that's why it's perked, and that's the advantage of a fast fighter

It's Kill to Death ratio is unparalleled, because a pilot can control the engagement on his terms, whether BnZ or TnB.

no, that's because you noobs don't know how to fly the spit14, and any noob can fly a temp as long as he got the perks.

[MORAY37]

He is not going to teliport out of there, it will take him time to accelerate
Be smart, let him run, stay up high
yes, i have no doubt about it, that is if he knows what he is doing...
That would be very stupid to just start climbing on equal energy with a temp on your 6, just make a few turns and he loses you.
that's why it's perked, and that's the advantage of a fast fighter
no, that's because you noobs don't know how to fly the spit14, and any noob can fly a temp as long as he got the perks.

Noob... lol.

I will end your stupid debate here and now.  If it wasn't better, it wouldn't have been the last.

http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=last+piston+engine+fighter+in+RAF+service

Enjoy;)

[MachFly]

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Enjoy;)

Tempest retired in 1953, Spitfire retired in 1957

There were also less than 2000 of them, compared to the 20,000+ spitfires

[straffo]

Tempest retired in 1953, Spitfire retired in 1957

There were also less than 2000 of them, compared to the 20,000+ spitfires

All 262/190/109/152 were retired in 1945 I guess it make them quite unsuitable for combat use  ?

 

[Angus]

Ehmm:
"The last piston engine fighter in RAF service was a Tempest VI, which was in use as a target tug when it was retired in 1953. "

The Sea Fury soldiered on as an operational aircraft longer than that. Was being phased out in 1955.
I have seen records of Spitfires being phased out as late as 1953 (Mk 22) but also seeing that the Spit 24 left RAF in squadron strength in 1951 being replaced by the Hornet, which remained in service into mid-1956. (last operational sortie in may 1955) Sea Hornets were in service until 1954.
The Seafires were still in front-line service in 1951 (were withdrawn then) but I am not sure when they were completely withdrawn from service.
Spitfires of some sort were still in military operation in 1952 though, in the Malayan emergency, but one source I have states that the last time it fired it's guns in anger for the RAF was in 1950.
I am not even looking into other airforces
 

[Noir]

the tempest is superior to the spit14 except if the tempest is foolish enough to turn the combat in a climb contest, or in a speed contest above 25K. As said the tempest can disengage at will with its superior dive capability. In a turn fight the spit14 is not even sure to win.

IIRC the spit21 is a brand new plane.

[SectorNine50]

no, that's because you noobs don't know how to fly the spit14, and any noob can fly a temp as long as he got the perks.

Any noob can fly a 14 as long as he has the perks as well.  Did you ever think that maybe you think the 14 is vastly better because you don't know how the fly the Tempest?  Hmm...

Be careful with your usage of the word "noob," 1.75 years in-game is still a noob to a lot of people who have been around for 5 times that.  Also, MORAY has almost half a year on ya.

[Ruah]

All 262/190/109/152 were retired in 1945 I guess it make them quite unsuitable for combat use  ?

 

actually the Israeli airforce flew BF109s. . .and they flew them untill the various jets became available. . .so they may have continued using them well past the Temp and Spitfires too.

on that note

With equal pilots the Tempest will win or draw (escape) every fight . . .

[straffo]

yep, true I forgot the finns and other other users of the 109.

Just to be nitpicking I don't really consider the S199 or buchon as true 109

[bozon]

actually the Israeli airforce flew BF109s. . .and they flew them untill the various jets became available. . .so they may have continued using them well past the Temp and Spitfires too.

on that note

With equal pilots the Tempest will win or draw (escape) every fight . . .

Actually, IAF 101 squadron had a mix of Avia S199 (Czech made 109 with a weaker engine and wing guns, total crap), Spitfires (mostly IX and bastardized versions made of scraped spits) and P51D. They were fighting Spit14s, tempests and C.205. Almost like flying in the main arena...

The P51D outlasted the other prop fighters as a combat aircraft and the last ones were used in the 1956 Suez war. However, the last airworthy plane was actually a spit IX that a couple of the airforce commanders liked so much, they couldn't bring themselves to scrap it. I remember seen it fly till the late 80s when it belonged to the IAF museum. I am not sure if it still in flying condition.

[Angus]

For some reason, the main bulk of those survivors today are Spits and P51's. Is there still an airworthy Temp or Tiffie?

[bozon]

IAF Spits vs. RAF Tempests:
http://www.spyflight.co.uk/iafvraf.htm

The IAF sent the RAF squadron the following message after the event cleared up:
"Sorry about yesterday, but you were on the wrong side of the fence. Come over here and have a drink sometime. You will see many familiar faces."

[MORAY37]

Any noob can fly a 14 as long as he has the perks as well.  Did you ever think that maybe you think the 14 is vastly better because you don't know how the fly the Tempest?  Hmm...

Be careful with your usage of the word "noob," 1.75 years in-game is still a noob to a lot of people who have been around for 5 times that.  Also, MORAY has almost half a year on ya.

Half a year?  I've been in these games since Air Warrior.  Glad you can look things up on the stats page... sorry you don't realize sometimes people change names with squad affiliations. 

Participation in this BBS is also not indicative of flight time.

[Karnak]

Half a year?  I've been in these games since Air Warrior.  Glad you can look things up on the stats page... sorry you don't realize sometimes people change names with squad affiliations. 

Participation in this BBS is also not indicative of flight time.

Your "Dweeb 14" comment pretty much invalidated anything you had to say and just painted yourself as an idiot.


That said, the Tempest is far better than the Spitfire Mk XIV.