Bomber speed suggestion

[whels]

We see buffs full throttle bombing in AH, when in RL they didnt go full speed.
how about do to bombers what HT has for the Torp planes. They have to be
under a certain speed to have the torps arm.  Make the level bombers
have to be within a certain speed(alot slower then 100% throttle) range,
or you cant calibrate for the drop.

[hitech]

I get really really tired of selective realism disguised as a desire to make bombers easier to kill.

HiTech

[RTHolmes]

I'm not sure about this. Whereas RL bombers typically bombed at cruise speed, they could and sometimes did release at much higher speeds. It wasn't a limitation for the RL aircraft so I dont think it should be for our cartoon aircraft.

edit: btw HT do you only check the wishlist forum? wondered if you had any comment on my B-24 power settings modelling (i think its under aircraft and vehicles)

[whels]

I get really really tired of selective realism disguised as a desire to make bombers easier to kill.

HiTech

actually HT, i could care less what speed they go, i kill them easy now. you program the game
so you select what realism you want. but i guess we cant suggest any.  heaven forbid a plane had to
do something it had to do in RL.

[LLogann]

I feel where you're coming from on this but so many other things go into the drop.........  As a decent Buff pilot, I'm never at full throttle.  Too many variables come into play.  Minor course adjustments that knock you back 2-3 mph.  

(The slow bomber is a better defender.)  

I really don't think somebody ups, plots the course from 100 miles out and just flies to target and drops.  

Do they?

And besides, 234's aside........  Full power?  What is that.... 276mph?

[hitech]

heaven forbid a plane had to
do something it had to do in RL.

That is the selective realism I speak of, you try state it HAD TO when in fact it did not.

HiTech

[LLogann]

2 replies in 1 thread..........

STOP PISSING OFF THE BIG MAN!!!

[Beefcake]

Bomber pilots of AH thank you for your support Hitech!   

My biggest problem with ideas like this is the fact that no one mentions that fighter pilots never ran at full power all the time either. Yet everyone wants buffs to have forced reduced throttling but yet no one ever asks fighters to have limited full power.

[Krusty]

Beef.... Fighter planes DID run at full power (not counting WEP) for 30+ minutes to an hour (depending on the plane and engine setup). You're comparing apples and martians.

[BnZs]

I get really really tired of selective realism disguised as a desire to make bombers easier to kill.

HiTech

ONE question.

Did buffs, even the B-17, shoot down about 1 fighter for every ~3 of them downed by fighters in real life?

If this is so, then the bombers in AHII are just fine.

If it is not, then there is a problem somewhere.

[Krusty]

Last FSO bombers carried just shy of HALF of all allied kills. On top of that the ratios were so high in the allied fighter department that allies had almost parity with LW planes. Yet the bombers got half the kills. Even the allied players said it was like the bombers were escorting the fighters.


Hrm... yeah... Apparently AH is modeled after "The Bomber Will Always get Through!" mentality? </sarcasm>

[BnZs]

I did a quick hand count, the ratio of bombers killed by fighters to fighters killed by bombers was 95/35 or 2.71:1 in Frame 3. This includes kills of bombers by the 110 and deaths of B-25s. I should probably isolate for different bomber types.

Last FSO bombers carried just shy of HALF of all allied kills. On top of that the ratios were so high in the allied fighter department that allies had almost parity with LW planes. Yet the bombers got half the kills. Even the allied players said it was like the bombers were escorting the fighters.


Hrm... yeah... Apparently AH is modeled after "The Bomber Will Always get Through!" mentality? </sarcasm>

[Krusty]

The specific numbers I recall somebody compiled and shared with me were frame 2, but frame 3 was equally bad.

[BnZs]

The specific numbers I recall somebody compiled and shared with me were frame 2, but frame 3 was equally bad.

Oh, you mean Disco's Data? That was interesting too, yes.

I've got to say though, IMO the bulk of the evidence indicates that the speed, altitude, and toughness of the buffs are not that far out of whack. Lethality of the defensive fire seems to be the problem.

[Beefcake]

Beef.... Fighter planes DID run at full power (not counting WEP) for 30+ minutes to an hour (depending on the plane and engine setup). You're comparing apples and martians.

Krusty I believe Holmes listed the power times for some of our heavy bombers. IIRC the B17's and B24's could run at full power for climbing for well over an hour.