Pyro, No C-hog perk!!

[Ripsnort]

I'll agree with you there, Yeager, I like them all!  I think having a main arena with unhistorical match-ups probably draws attention to the C-Hog currently than any other A/C (think about it, if given a choice of a .22 rifle or a .30-06 for hunting big game, which would you choose if you were less than experienced in hunting big game?)

Mark my words, N1K will be next.

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[Ripsnort]

 Oops,dbl post.

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[Yeager]

Well I guess we can be excited then!  

We are all entering uncharted waters with this Perk system.  If most players migrate to another single plane type then will it be perked?  Although one could safely suggest  yes, one does not know this as a matter of fact, yet.

Lets just see where it takes us.
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The only lasting thing I hope for in AH is that we can eventually experience everything from 1939 to 1945.

Hell!  Id like to experience some stuff from 1915 to 1918 and maybe even 1951 to 1954 in HTCs world of combat sims shouldnt this be at least plausible?

Yeager

[Baddawg]

Question ? Do you want play balance or do you wish to play with the plane you like most all of the time?
 
My thoughts on the matter are that although the F4u-1C might get perked I dont think it will be perked in such a manner that it becomes unobtainable.
 It will be a case of opportunity costs.
Economics. Do you wish to  spend x amount of perk points say for instance 5 perk points per Chog (that in my mind would be per new plane/not.. say if you succesfully land and .ef it should carry over.) And in spending those extra points will it benifit or deprive  you in
A) earning more than  it costs
B) depriving you from husbanding your points to fly a  ME262 for instance.

So should the N1K be perked as it stands  quite possibly .
But when you say PERKED!!!!! like  its some kind of catastrophic event  I think is unfair and alarmist.
 It will be an interesting time to be sure.  
 Some planes should cost a little and some should cost alot. Some planes should be free of perk point cost to fly
The F4U-1C being the latest plane in the plane set 1945 correct? should IMO cost something especially if it has shown to be highly popular due to its destructive power.

 The whole purpose of "Perking" is in my mind to add a whole new element in combat flight sim gaming.
To say oh my ride got perked  yours is next is not a valid or insightful look into what promises to be  progression in  a gaming genre that has almost remained unchanged since its inception.

Many people have appluaded  HTC for its innovations , now just because it slightly changes the way you play even if the cost is mimimal  it meets resistance. Im sorry I dont get that attitude .

[Ripsnort]

1950-1953 A/C could be quite fun!  See an old post in this forum about Aces High Korea.

Baddawg, doesn't change the way I play, rarely fly the C-Hog,(anymore, used to , but I chose to kill the enemy in a plane I consider far more superior than the C-Hog, the P51D)... my point is 'what will be the next most popular plane?'...that is where your answer lies for the next 'Uber Plane' whine.

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[Voss]

 

Originally posted by F4UDOA:
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...and take the spoiler off of the starboard wing.
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Spoiler? I wouldn't call that little thing a spoiler!

(Checks pants)

Now that's a spoiler!  

Voss 13th T.A.S.

[Apache]

 

To say oh my ride got perked yours is next is not a valid or insightful look into what promises to be progression in a gaming genre that has almost remained unchanged since its inception.

Not valid? It is my understanding that the F4U-1C is to be perked because of it's popularity and nothing else. What other conclusion can one draw?

Qualifier: I no longer fly the F4U-1C. My ac of choice are the Typhoon, the P51 and the F4U-1D, in that order.

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[Toad]

Perking due to popularity should lead to some outstanding whines in the future. I look forward to enjoying those threads.

The -1C is a popular plane. It has 2x the kills of tne next most effective A/C. I bet it has an even greater lead when compared solely as a Ground Vehicle killer. Nothing else comes close. Maybe we need another good Ground Attack aircraft to lessen the number of C's that are flown? Think of it as another option.  

[whels1]

id rather have the  F4U-4C perked and drop the -1C.

maybe make field mods for planes that carried them. like 4 20mms for the F4U-1
but cost perk points to fly with each flight.
if u dont have enouogh points u cant fly with the mod. same thing could be dont to other planes with special WEPs or gun packs
that didnt come original but were used
like MW50 on some LWers, or 20mms on F6s ECT....


whels
 

Originally posted by F4UDOA:
Yeager,

The C-hog is no better or worse than any other plane in AH. It has cannons and a good, not great FM. That's all. Pyro has already said that if he does perk it it will not be because it is uber just because so many people choose to fly it. What do you think those people will do next? Fly the C202? No, they will fly the NIK2 or the Typhoon. Leading to the next set of whining threads. Whining is like quitting or lying. It's a personality thing, a bad habit. Once you start it's hard to stop. I'm not calling anybody quitters or liars. But I am saying that removing the C-Hog only sets a president for future behavior. The P-51 could be next.

The purpose of this thread was to point out a whole in the plane set that will need to be filled after the C-hog goes away. Filling it with a "Secret weapons of the Luftwaffa" would be ridiculous and a F4F or FM-2 would not be competitive. The F4U-1 or -1A is the only way to go here.

And if we are to have two perked F4U's would you rather have a F4U-4 and F2G? Sounds like more fun that a F4U-1D with cannons.

[Yeager]

It is my understanding that the F4U-1C is to be perked because of it's popularity and nothing else. What other conclusion can one draw?
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I have no facts but is it possible that the reason %20 of all arena A2A kills go to the Chog isnt so much due to so many people flying them rather the guns being so lethal?

Yeager

[Westy]

 Exactly Yeager.  Did folks miss Pyros posted chart showing the massive spike in kills that the F4u-1C has in comparison to other aircraft?
 Popularity? No. Lethality and unbalancing capability? Yes.

  -Westy

[Baddawg]

And why is it so popular?  Cause the chicks dig it?  

Like I said  why such opposition  to having  certain planes dig into your perk point savings account?

As for Uber ride whines well the N1K and the F4U-C have been  known to cause some strife in the game, it is not the first time they have been called  unbalancing. (Im not saying they are or are not)

And I also think that if you think Pyro is caving into
the whining  shows a somewhat lack of  faith or confidence in him. That in my opinion is not vaild or is it fair to him.

"Pointing out so now another plane will be perked  you watch" is right on the money!
There are going to be perk planes in this game  how they are to priced  is debatable and worthy of debate.

But I feel that if  a 1945  F4U-1C is to be of the same value as a Spit V both in points for destruction and purchase,there would appear to be some descrepency. If that can not be seen then obviously I think (not pointing anyone in particular)shows bais only because its affecting a person individually .

[Kirin]

He's the one who will balance to AH!

balance - B A L A N C E - not power, not numbers    it's not perked because it's No.1 in popularity - no because it accounts for 20% of all kills!!! Leaving number 2 far behind... you can ride your CHog all day - but do something for it!!!


Hey even if we had to pay 5 perkies for a F4U and I would intend to fly it I could now buy almost a hundred rides...!! Learn to fly and not to count on Hispano MarkII Lasers. And for all the hardcore F4U lovers we still have the D!!! Besides, D gives good amount of perkies so it won't be hard to maintain yourself your beloved Cannon baby, will it???!!!

What I can read from the LW carrier thread (my personal whine...   ) you guys are sooooo historically accurate - so I guess the FU4-1C did account for 20% of all (axis&allied combined) air-victories...    

[MANDOBLE]

Rip, the only advantage of 51 over 1C is the top speed, and only by a few knots (range apart). You can bet, for every pilot saying he is happy killing Hogs in P51, you'll have hundreds of pilots saying they are happy killing P51s in HogC.

Yep, you can rack up K/D ratio in 51 to 100/0, but at cost of kills per time going down to 1 per hour unless you only engange with 100% advantage over single enemies.

Rip, if you find Chogs easy to kill is just because most of them are flown by newbies not due the drawbacks of the plane.

[Torgo]

F4UDOA wrote:

"Pyro,
First there is no need for a "perked F4U-1C". It has never been uber and other than cannons has no advantage over the F4U-1D"

So, then why do you care if it's perked? Just fly the DHog. It's Big and Blue too.


1) If the C is so ordinary and lame and unspecial you have plenty of other AC just as good (and one virtually identical, the Dhog.)

2) If the C IS so special and unique it would be horrible if it's perked, then that's the BEST evidence it needs to be perked :-)

The anti-CHog perkers are running into some serious argument failings here.