Author Topic: Pyro, No C-hog perk!! (Read 3805 times)

F4UDOA · « **on:** January 09, 2001, 08:44:00 AM »

Pyro,

First there is no need for a "perked F4U-1C". It has never been uber and other than cannons has no advantage over the F4U-1D. In the perk arena the F4U-4 will be the preferred ride of any F4U driver and the F4U-1C really doesn't bring anything new except cannons anyway. So what to do with it?

A while ago in the MA you mentioned that you would like to do a early birdcage F4U-1 with a tri-color paint scheme. Well this it what I call an opportunity to succeed!!

Reasons why you should do this.

1. It would require a lot less work to turn the -1C into a -1 or -1A. New guns, paint and canopy. And oh yeah, reduce the weight by a couple of hundred pounds and take the spoiler off of the starboard wing.

2. The F4U-4 is the clear choice of perk birds. If you want another F4U perk plane then do the F2G with the checker board nose. That's a perk plane!!

3. "The Lord givith and the Lord taketh away". It's fair trade for the loosing a major part of our squad capability as well as reducing the Navy and Marine presence.

4. The F4U-1/1A is an true early war representation. The F4U-1 is a true 1942 bird and the -1A is 1943. Great for scenarios' and a great handling bird too.

BTW, If you do choose to do this may I recommend Ken Walsh's F4U-1 with the Birdcage canopy and Tommy Blackburns F4U-1A with a Jolly Roger if you do the bubble canopy.

Thanks
F4UDOA

And I didn't even whine

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Ripsnort · « **Reply #1 on:** January 09, 2001, 09:23:00 AM »

What follows next in the 'food chain' of whining:

Bish attackers drop bombs on a field, with goon awaiting off shore, however, VH doesn't go down within the first 30 seconds, and 5 OSTWINDS up...now, with no C-Hog, they lose 2/3 of their A/C trying to strafe the OSTIE's. Onto the BBS to whine about the OSTIE's and how hard they are to kill.

Osties are tamed.

Then, airfields (and defending Osties) are relatively easy to capture, and the posts begin on the BBS on how easy it is to capture (with one or two replies asking for Osties to be alittle more resiliant to attack)...

Next on the 'hit list'(Whined about on BBS) will be Ostie, then N1K, then (Pick your favorite ride you have today, because it is susceptable to what is happening with the C-Hog)

Low and behold, 20% of the community starts to drive the P51D and the F4U-1D, complaints are heard, and there is talk of perking these A/C, or implementing a RPS, whereas your favorite ride is limited to fly a certain amount of days per month.

Blah, Blah, Blah, it never ends....its a food chain , guys, be very careful what you ask for!

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Karnak · « **Reply #2 on:** January 09, 2001, 10:00:00 AM »

Ripsnort,
What part of "Its not being perked because of the whines!" and "Its not being perked because of how powerful it it!" do you not understand?

Are you intentionally being this dense?

This is the reason, the only reason, that HTC is considering perking the F4U-1C. Its breaking the bloody perk system.

Got it?

F4UDOA,
I don't see any reason why they shouldn't make the F4U-1C a cheap perk AND add a tri-color F4U-1A.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Sisu
-Karnak

CavemanJ · « **Reply #3 on:** January 09, 2001, 10:02:00 AM »

nice theory Rip, but there's one problem with it:

Ostwinds DO need to be tamed. I couldna count anymore how many times I've dove on an ostwind at angle of 65degrees or more (while it was shooting at someone else) and unload into that turret, with a -1C, and the damn thing turns right around and shoots me in the arse as I climb out.

More and more lately I've seen ostwinds survive 2 1k eggs being dropped in verra close proximity. Last night I dropped 2 1k eggs on a VH. On my approach dive I saw a vehicle spawn and thought "ahhh easy meat". On the climbout I look back, zoom, and to my astonishment I see two ostwinds clearing the edge of the craters my eggs made dead center of the VH.

I realize netlag can cause a delay in a bomb hitting and something dying, but that just wasn't it in this case. I reversed and put my rockets and some cannon into the VH and it went right down, so I know the damage I had done had already been scored.

With that open top .303s should be all that's needed to knock that maingun out of commission, but it's just not so in the MA. Ostdweebs have survived up to 3 high angle passes from me in a -1C and still had thier main guns working.

(Pyro if ya wanna do a shooting test again I'm game anytime

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Lance · « **Reply #4 on:** January 09, 2001, 10:26:00 AM »

I honestly think that you would see the numbers of 1c's in the arena dramatically decrease when the following two things occur:

* The carrier newness wears off.
* There are planes to spend perk points on, giving people a tangible reason to care whether they are getting 8 perk points for a 6 kill sortie in a 1d or 1.2 perk points for the same sortie in a 1c.

I'd like to see HTC wait to perk the 1c until they see if the above makes a difference. If it doesn't, then perk away. If they go ahead and perk it tomorow, no big deal.

Gordo

Yeager · « **Reply #5 on:** January 09, 2001, 10:31:00 AM »

You guys are seriously addicted to crack/cannon.

When I want to inflict unreasonable pain and punishment on any SOB within .900k, there is one ride I grab. Thats right! Gull wings, deep dark blue and four devilish bastards poking out of the leading wing edges.

Its in the damned game. Stop being so obviously hard up for lack of other more desirebale attributes.

LMAO!

On second thought, Vulcan in that damnable Tiffy is really starting to grate on me.

Perk the TIFFY!!!!!!!!

Yeager

Fishu · « **Reply #6 on:** January 09, 2001, 10:31:00 AM »

No problem with 1c if they realise that hispano is way off the scale with other cannons.
how about modelling reliability of the guns?
that would really make those choggers thinking of changing to dhog.
(And specially when this hispano model under US is even worse than ones in spit IX..)

SOB · « **Reply #7 on:** January 09, 2001, 10:35:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
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Read up, ya bastige...it's not like you're on this board 20 hours out of the day or anything!

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SOB

F4UDOA · « **Reply #8 on:** January 09, 2001, 10:47:00 AM »

Holey Hijack,

Anybody wanna get back to the point.

If ya wanna whine about c-hogs go get your own thread!!

Fatty · « **Reply #9 on:** January 09, 2001, 10:56:00 AM »

Heh, I knew Fishu couldn't make it through this thread without uttering the word hispano.

Karnak I really think the majority of those 1c drivers are going to go to the F6F next, making it as high or higher than the infamous 20% mark the 1c had.

Other than that I don't fly it and have never minded flying against it. The only concern I have about seeing it go is how much louder the whining will be on the next plane, since they know they can get it pulled if they scream loud enough.

Yeager · « **Reply #10 on:** January 09, 2001, 10:57:00 AM »

Oh-me oh-my but of course F4UDOA!

Yes perk the Chog.

Yes, add the F4U4 and perk it as well.

Hows that?

Yeager

Ripsnort · « **Reply #11 on:** January 09, 2001, 11:09:00 AM »

Well, I don't fly the C-Hog much at all, but it does have its role in our Field Attack missions, that of being a good ground attack weapon.

Yeager, if I want to rack up a 41 to 1 K/D ratio, I fly the P51D.

Karnak, I consider the source so I shall ignore you.

Just be careful what you ask for, this arena is as delicate as a food chain, you disrupt one facet of it, and the downstream effects will come around to bite you sooner, or later.

It's funny, I love to engage C-Hogs with my 1D or P51D, because I find them relatively easy to shoot down!

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Yeager · « **Reply #12 on:** January 09, 2001, 11:25:00 AM »

Couple of quick thoughts rip:

"Yeager, if I want to rack up a 41 to 1 K/D ratio, I fly the P51D."
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Damn near anyone with any credible time in this sim can get a 41/1 K/D in anything if they try and have good luck.

"Just be careful what you ask for, this arena is as delicate as a food chain, you disrupt one facet of it, and the downstream effects will come around to bite you sooner, or later."
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This one begs for deep dissection but I dont have much time. The balance in AH at the time the Chog was introduced was nearly stable. Alot has changed and the impact isnt so noticable now but at the time it was like a cancer IMO. The Chog doesnt bother me anymore but I like seeing you Chog defenders squirm in self-suspicion whenever these things come up.

AcesHigh needs everything, including the P61 and B29 so I certainly do not support anything being removed, just placed in context and if that means restricted availablity or even *gasp* RPS type scenarios then lets do it.

The F4U-1A would be attractice as would a F4F3, Nate, Jill, Val, P39, P40, Brewster..
Hell.... I want em all in here!

Yeager

Apache · « **Reply #13 on:** January 09, 2001, 11:26:00 AM »

I feel for you Hellcat lovers. Based on Karnaks' theory, you are next. What ac do you think these hog drivers are going to go to ya dimwits

F4UDOA · « **Reply #14 on:** January 09, 2001, 11:27:00 AM »

Yeager,

The C-hog is no better or worse than any other plane in AH. It has cannons and a good, not great FM. That's all. Pyro has already said that if he does perk it it will not be because it is uber just because so many people choose to fly it. What do you think those people will do next? Fly the C202? No, they will fly the NIK2 or the Typhoon. Leading to the next set of whining threads. Whining is like quitting or lying. It's a personality thing, a bad habit. Once you start it's hard to stop. I'm not calling anybody quitters or liars. But I am saying that removing the C-Hog only sets a president for future behavior. The P-51 could be next.

The purpose of this thread was to point out a whole in the plane set that will need to be filled after the C-hog goes away. Filling it with a "Secret weapons of the Luftwaffa" would be ridiculous and a F4F or FM-2 would not be competitive. The F4U-1 or -1A is the only way to go here.

And if we are to have two perked F4U's would you rather have a F4U-4 and F2G? Sounds like more fun that a F4U-1D with cannons.