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Re: Global Warming - Absolute Proof
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2009, 11:42:26 AM »
I might believe in 'global warming' if I didn't walk out the front door at work this morning into a 34 degree June morning. Might be acceptable somewhere in the southern hemisphere, but a bit ridiculous in NY.

Now, when its 75 in January, then maybe I'll start believing.

I have been in 70 degree weather in January, we usually get 10-30 degree weather.
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Re: Global Warming - Absolute Proof
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2009, 01:54:52 PM »
What makes you think people are the real cause and the earth is just changing on it's own?
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Re: Global Warming - Absolute Proof
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2009, 02:07:50 PM »
Any of you guys ever wonder why Greenland is called Greenland? Glaciers come and go, grow and recede. Of course, in the realm of "Chicken Little science", any change means the impending doom of the earth...


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Wide, with respect, not the "doom of the earth"....more like just our species.  People that use your flawed argument as case in point proof always seem to leave out the pesky little extinction question.  The planet took a shot to the jaw via asteroid 65 million years ago... it's still here.  Now, not many of the species that existed in that peak time of biodiversity are, though.

In any case, the true short term threat to our species' current demise is CO2.  Not via global warming though.  Ocean acidification is well underway from the simple over abundance of CO2 in the atmosphere (carbonic acid, H2CO3).  I just attended a conference on reef biology.  The predominant feeling was that there was nothing that was going to halt the acidification process in time to save corals.  A higher acidity restricts the ability of corals to lay calcareous skeleton.  Once the pH gets below 7.9, corals become free floating cnidarians again.  At this point, the ideology is to describe and catalog, then attempt to place as many species into a gene bank as possible, for re-introduction in the future. Reefs nurse all stocks of gamefish.... if they go, so go the fish.

As I've said before, glacier size is not intrinsically tied to warming/and or cooling cycles.  Primary consideration is the predominant precipitation in the upper reaches of the glacier field.  You can have a glacier form and grow in a warm climate (see tropical glaciers Peru), as long as the upper field is getting snow.  
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Re: Global Warming - Absolute Proof
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2009, 02:13:18 PM »
What makes you think people are the real cause and the earth is just changing on it's own?

The direct tie of increase of CO2 in atmospheric % to the industrial revolution, with a slowing of natural release events, (which also trend the climate in a cooling direction, even though volcanoes release much CO2)
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Re: Global Warming - Absolute Proof
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2009, 02:27:19 PM »
I have it, but since I live in a cold country I'd rather keep it  :devil
Will bring you some back when it starts getting uncomfortable, unless the sun boots up again, - the old lady is has been dallying a year or so in the minimum.


Hey Angus!  She's been waking up as of recently. Solar flux is up around 75-77 today.  (Highest its been since March 2008)  The 1019 region is a 13 point sunspot complex, the first major Cro beta group of the new cycle.  Hopefully, it is safe to say, she's out of minimum now.  Once the flux gets up into historical norms (90 to 100) we should get a better grasp on just how up the creek we've gone since she entered minimum a few years ago.  At least this cycle isn't predicted to be a strong one.



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Re: Global Warming - Absolute Proof
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2009, 04:10:46 PM »
Hey Angus!  She's been waking up as of recently. Solar flux is up around 75-77 today.  (Highest its been since March 2008)  The 1019 region is a 13 point sunspot complex, the first major Cro beta group of the new cycle.  Hopefully, it is safe to say, she's out of minimum now.  Once the flux gets up into historical norms (90 to 100) we should get a better grasp on just how up the creek we've gone since she entered minimum a few years ago.  At least this cycle isn't predicted to be a strong one.

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Anyway, I wish you could read my language, - here is a most wonderful website on Astronomy, this link will go for the sun. Lots of images anyway.
Now, the 10 years of global climate will be interesting, if our sun steps up again and increases power steadily for the next 5-6 years. Like some one once said, - "It's the sun, stupid!".
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Re: Global Warming - Absolute Proof
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Re: Global Warming - Absolute Proof
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2009, 11:17:18 AM »
I find it funny when the wackos were hollering "global warming is killing the polar bears" and show some pictures of a bear stranded on a lone piece of ice surrounded by water.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-433170/Global-warming-sees-polar-bears-stranded-melting-ice.html

Funny thing is ALL these pics that are shown that were taken from a high angle NOT showing more of the area around the ice that the bear is on. Why? Could it be because the pics would show ALOT more ice around than what they are trying to make us believe there is? Saw a show on History channel  the other day where they showed a map of the Arctic circle in the summer time and one during the winter. The guy on there said the ice pack doubles during the winter and then half of it melts in the summer.

They showed video of the ice packs during the summer and it was broken up but the same area in winter time was solid. Just amazes me how the wackos always try to come up with a bunch of scientific double talk to prove thier wacko ideas. Then a simple video shows how things have been occuring in the Arctic for thousands of years.

Reminds me of the old saying, "A man with a little education and alot of common sense could accomplish more than a man with alot of education and little common semse".
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Re: Global Warming - Absolute Proof
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2009, 10:25:31 PM »
they used to be able to grow grapes in england back in the late 13th century, early 14th century, and i dont think it was because of their cars, AL GORE CREATED MANBEARPIG AND GLOBAL WARMING THE SAME DAY!!!!!!
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Re: Global Warming - Absolute Proof
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2009, 10:56:34 PM »
Any of you guys ever wonder why Greenland is called Greenland? Glaciers come and go, grow and recede. Of course, in the realm of "Chicken Little science", any change means the impending doom of the earth...


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Widewing

Of course WideWing... and doom means mucho gub'ment grants.  Enough to support a career until retirement.  All you have to do is scare the sheeple, and their representatives.

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Re: Global Warming - Absolute Proof
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2009, 01:53:17 AM »
they used to be able to grow grapes in england back in the late 13th century, early 14th century, and i dont think it was because of their cars, AL GORE CREATED MANBEARPIG AND GLOBAL WARMING THE SAME DAY!!!!!!

Had a geolgy professor in colleg that told us about that. Needless to say he said global warming was crap. He called it climate change.
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Re: Global Warming - Absolute Proof
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2009, 02:26:51 AM »
Of course WideWing... and doom means mucho gub'ment grants.  Enough to support a career until retirement.  All you have to do is scare the sheeple, and their representatives.

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People who consistently say this kind of thing have never had a government "grant", nor have the faintest clue what they are talking about. 

Wabbit, on this, you have absolutely no clue.
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Re: Global Warming - Absolute Proof
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2009, 02:50:17 AM »
I don´t know who to trust. 100 scientists say, its man made global warming. Other 100 scientists say, the sun is responsible, another 100 scientist say it´s not global warming but a coming ice age....I am not a scientist and I don´t have the knowledge to differ truth from false. When the weatherman is not able to predict the weather for the next 4 weeks, how should it be possible to predict the climate for the next 100 years? All I understand is, that the truth is been found in the past. Scientist (Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, and Malcolm Hughes) go back 2000 (or was it 1000?) years and come up with the hockey-stick-curve. And now McIntyre and McKitrick claim that the hockey stick is totally wrong and based on wrong facts.... :rolleyes: who is right and who is wrong?? I don´t have the time to study the climate or the studies that were made already. So in this case I neither trust the one or other side.

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Re: Global Warming - Absolute Proof
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2009, 03:42:56 AM »
The weatherman will be able to predict seasons, which are much farther away than the next 4 days.
And anyway, Greenland being called Greenland, - that was a very good advertisment from Eric the Read,
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Re: Global Warming - Absolute Proof
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2009, 03:48:20 AM »
I might believe in 'global warming' if I didn't walk out the front door at work this morning into a 34 degree June morning. Might be acceptable somewhere in the southern hemisphere, but a bit ridiculous in NY.

Now, when its 75 in January, then maybe I'll start believing.

In Central Texas, it's 75 a LOT in January.  :lol
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