Brewster Buffalo

[Wmaker]

BTW the Brewster Buffalo was an American airplane purchased by Finland. It was no more "Finnish" then the 109 was.

Have I somehow argued otherwise?

EDIT/However, Finland was the sole operator of the Model 239./EDIT

[Motherland]

I answered a question, or responded to a statement made in the thread. If you feel like my next is overlong then just dont read it. Your not a Mod, and dont work for AH, so spare me the the proclamations.

Most Americans dont know about the history behind this front of the war. I start talking history and its hard for me to stop.

Finland did more then just protect themselves. They also fought a war of aggression with designs on expanding their land mass. And as the winds of war shifted they ended up dancing with both Dictators.

BTW the Brewster Buffalo was an American airplane purchased by Finland. It was no more "Finnish" then the 109 was.

Rich, if you don't want to repost what you originally did, could you PM me? I've always been interested by Finland's largely unknown and kind of confusing involvement in WWII.

[A8TOOL]

I'm not offended at all and I'm more than willing to discuss about my country's history in another thread.

No offence TOOL, but when you've checked the Internet and especially these threads for information regarding the Brewster and you end up with the conclusions below...

...I really don't have very high hopes that you'd able to understand anything I would tell you regarding Finnish history.

I've learned a lot in this thread, the most being from Rich and I was sorry to see him erase his information because you thought it belonged somewhere else. If it was not for him I would have never known exactly why the Brewster we'll be using had Swastikas painted all over it.

Is it true there was only 44 made or is this the version that only one was  made?

Rich46yo's post
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,265934.msg3317328.html#msg3317328

[Karnak]

It doesn't have swastikas on it.  It has Von Rosen crosses.

[Furball]

Hmm... I'll have to start thinking of a new sig!

Karvapallo for president!

[dev1ant]

Useful in that latewar, latest and greatest sort of way so you won't have to work at the game much? 

I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't lump me in with 75% of the tools who populate the MA.

Thanks.

[Enker]

Whatever, still a worthless aircraft,... did somone blackmail HT into modeling this thing?

It isn't worthless, it is simply from a different time period than the LW arena planes. Besides, think of all the FSOs we could enjoy with it.

[moot]

You guys want to know the best thing about the Brewster, besides the naked spa celebrations it'll cause in Finland?  Using it to shoot down the whiners who call it useless.

[texastc316]

I can't wait for the first buffalo herd mission

[moot]

HTC should have a special Brewster day where anyone who's complained about it being FINALLY added... Gets a 20 perk/kill bounty on their pixel head if you make it flying a Brewster.

[Wmaker]

I've learned a lot in this thread, the most being from Rich and I was sorry to see him erase his information because you thought it belonged somewhere else. If it was not for him I would have never known exactly why the Brewster we'll be using had Swastikas painted all over it.

Is it true there was only 44 made or is this the version that only one was  made?

Rich46yo's post
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,265934.msg3317328.html#msg3317328

<Sigh>

TOOL, you are sitting infront of a computer with Internet access...

www.google.com

Here's something to get you started:

http://www.sci.fi/~fta/BWtoFAF1.htm Very nice article on how the Brewsters got delivered to the FiAF.

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/articles/honorable_swastika/ Very thorough article on the use of the swastika-symbol in Finland.

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/WW2History-CaptainWindsAirCombatTacticsLecture.html A lecture prepared by Finnish ace Hans Wind which was given to new fighter pilots on their way to operational units. This is written from the PoV of a Brewster pilot.

http://www.sci.fi/~fta/fineka01.htm Good reading...Gustaf Erik Magnusson - the father of Finnish fighter tactics

http://www.sci.fi/~fta/fintac-1.htm More very good reading...THE FINNISH FIGHTER TACTICS AND TRAINING BEFORE AND DURING THE WW II By Heikki Nikunen (Former FiAF Commander)


EDIT/Finland recieved *only* 44 Model 239s. But it's good to remember that they served a very long period of time and were flown a lot. So their service was very extensive. Brewster is a Brewster, Humu is a Humu. What does it say on the lower left corner of the screenshots on HTC homepage? Why would they model a plane of which one prototype was made and which saw no combat. Common sense goes a long way./EDIT

[A8TOOL]

Thanks 


Added:

Found a real photo of it btw.

This post has a lot of really strange looking planes. One of the He-111 and another of something that looks like it's straight out of Star Wars from Russia

Not sure why the 190's there.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.civfanatics.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D290189%26page%3D3&ei=v_0mSqS4E5mUMeDE6YUF&usg=AFQjCNGMvUixi1rhDzZWh3PEFwk6N01KEA&sig2=OzvvH6PwnsnQlxzqT57Rug

[Lusche]

Some good links, WMaker.


But in

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/WW2History-CaptainWindsAirCombatTacticsLecture.html A lecture prepared by Finnish ace Hans Wind which was given to new fighter pilots on their way to operational units. This is written from the PoV of a Brewster pilot.

...I noticed the following statement:

The easiest one to shoot down of the enemy fighters is the Hurricane. It is totally helpless against us below 3,000 meters. It is slow and very clumsy and unmanoeuvrable. Whenever you meet a Hurricane, engage it in a turn-fight, where it is totally at our mercy.  

Somehow I have the feeling it won't be that easy against our AH Hurricane...

[Wmaker]

Somehow I have the feeling it won't be that easy against our AH Hurricane...

I have exactly the same feeling. Hispanos and internet lag among some other things will contribute to it greatly IMO.

[Lusche]

I have exactly the same feeling. Hispanos and internet lag among some other things will contribute to it greatly IMO.

I wasn't even thinking of the IIC. The I may be slower, but is far from being "clumsy and unmaneuverable"...