Keep the Advantage

[mechanic]

http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/real_3on1.ahf  <---- .AHF Film here


 Here is a quick clip of a real 3 on 1 fight. Many times we hear people boast of winning multi-vs-one but not often see evidence. A real 3 on 1 fight is not just three cons in the area, but actualy all 3 are on the 1 at the same time in close proxy. In my experience of this game even three 'two weeker zipcodes' vs one person is very difficult to win.

Here are some things to think about if you think winning a 3 on 1 is too difficult:

- Keep the Advantage: Starting with the advantage of great guns and a few thousand feet is all you need to stand a fair chance. This just shows how keeping an E advantage is not about being at a 10k advantage. Sometimes a few MPH more is all that is needed to stay on top.

- Evaluate Threats: You can see constant visual checks all around the aircraft.  Mental evaluation is vital also, it becomes second nature to plot the path of the spit that just flew past you in your head while you watch the F4u-4 that is now climbing under your belly with enough smack to get a shot. Watching the spit and letting that F4u have a full profile shot would have ended the sortie.

- Don't even think about running away. the slightest doubt and you are already going down in flames.

- Don't target fixate unless you are certain you can get the kill first try.

- Offer a thing profile: If you are going to get shot, it makes sense to give them a small target. pointing a wingtip at them is a good way to avoid a snapshot.

- Don't miss if possible


This is where a handfull of people will start a discusion on what the three enemy did wrong. It's a valid point to some extent, in theory. In reality no body flies as well as they would do with hindsight watching the film. All three of the players in the clip are experienced and more than capable of killing me in a 1 on 1.

 So I posted in general discussion to save the training forum the possible debate. Also I thought it was important to show as many people as possible that winning from E advantage can be a much closer game than 10 mile extensions and running away in the vertical.

 All feedback welcome.

[B4Buster]

As a general rule to multi v 1s I always try to work the enemy so they stay infront of me. It can be tough, especially if they break off, extend and re-engage (which alot of people seem to do, maybe they'd be embarassed to get killed wile ganging someone). By angling yourself so they stay in front; you make SA alot easier, and you can limit the amount of manuvers you need to perform. That in turn help you keep some precious energy.

nice flying bat!

[chewiex]

  Great flying Bat.

[TonyJoey]

Whenever I'm in multiple plane engagements, I always try to keep some E, so as not to be caught on a pass low and slow. Everytime they make a pass, I try to do the least manoevering to avoid being hit. Whenever he passes by, I immediately level my wings and climb to get more and more precious potential/kinetic energy. When my E state comes close to one of the cons I wait for the right time to cut back into him and hopefully get a quick burst in beofre having to avoid a different con. Just my tactics in multi-con engagements.

[Kazaa]

Joey, we should do some more 1v1, hopefully before 01:00AM my time, next time.

[Boozeman]

First of all, you made all the right decisions and applied them at the right place and time. What those were you described in detail and they are spot on.
No issues here at all. But there are some things:

In my experience of this game even three 'two weeker zipcodes' vs one person is very difficult to win.

Well, I disagree strongly. This situation is a piece of cake for an experienced player like you are, even more when using a top notch plane.
I think in many ways your clip is proof of the exact opposite of your statement.

This is where a handfull of people will start a discusion on what the three enemy did wrong. It's a valid point to some extent, in theory. In reality no body flies as well as they would do with hindsight watching the film.

For smaller errors I do agree, but in this stituation, it was not a matter of small errors. It was lack a fundamental lack of concept, to say at least.

All three of the players in the clip are experienced and more than capable of killing me in a 1 on 1.

Again, I disagree. After watching the clip and checking some stats, this conclusion is wrong, very wrong. Due to the respect of the players involved I will not say any more here, but if asked, I'll comment on that via PM in more detail.

  

[BnZs]

Would you say an exploitable mistake in multiple vs. one situations is that the "multiples" aren't flying the fight like it is just them vs. you 1v1?

[dentin]

You definitely need to practice more, I mean y'all DID get "pinged at the onset.... s`matter old age gettin to ya     

[Kazaa]

Would you say an exploitable mistake in multiple vs. one situations is that the "multiples" aren't flying the fight like it is just them vs. you 1v1?

All it takes is one of the three to disengage from the fight and wait for the pick, If this was the case then the video wouldn't last to long.

[mechanic]

Dentin


I think they all wanted to disengage from the fight and wait for the pick, Kaz. That is why they all got shot. That may be what BnZs is getting at also.

Boozeman, entitled to your opinion. It's quite a valid one, though I still stand by my first post.

[Kazaa]

I don't think so Bat. If they wanted to, they could have.

[Lazerr]

Nice flyin bat.  Nice fight without a booming 10-15k advantage like most in the arena.  Two of the pilot names you were flying against have been around awhile too.  Hardly would classify them as new guys.

[Cajunn]

IN a multiple engagement I usually Die! nice job   

[TequilaChaser]

I have not seen the film yet.
but the major problem when a lone pilot is engaged against 2 or 3 + others is that the 2 or 3 others are all going for the kill, and this is their downfall. if they would work as a pair or a team then Bat would not have been as fortunate.........not taking anything away from Bat's abilities though......

[Lazerr]

.........not taking anything away from Bat's abilities though......

We already know he stinks!