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Offline Masherbrum

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Re: Why would the Brits....?
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2009, 10:02:49 AM »
I know it carries and drops bombs but the "P" designation says it's a fighter. I have a felling your just being fascias.

Wrong.

A = Ground Attack
B = Bomber
C = Transport (Cargo)
F = Fighter
P = Pursuit (Patrol)
X = Experimental
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Re: Why would the Brits....?
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2009, 10:31:37 AM »
I know it carries and drops bombs but the "P" designation says it's a fighter. I have a felling your just being fascias.

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Re: Why would the Brits....?
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2009, 11:00:23 AM »
Wrong.

F = Fighter
P = Pursuit (Patrol)

I thought P was used instead of F because "Pursuit" sounded less aggressive than "Fighter" despite them having the same roles, ie just a PR thing?
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Re: Why would the Brits....?
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2009, 11:07:13 AM »
I thought P was used instead of F because "Pursuit" sounded less aggressive than "Fighter" despite them having the same roles, ie just a PR thing?

He mentioned "designations", I only posted WWII designations.  But someone called the P-38 a "bomber" and that is incorrect.   
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Re: Why would the Brits....?
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2009, 12:27:25 PM »
Wrong.

A = Ground Attack
B = Bomber
C = Transport (Cargo)
F = Fighter
P = Pursuit (Patrol)
X = Experimental



not sure what your trying to prove here, P was for pursuit, for  obvious patrol planes like the PBY, PB2Y, PB4y. PB standing for patrol/bomber. The F for fighter designation did not become implemented until after WW2

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Re: Why would the Brits....?
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2009, 12:49:18 PM »
And he is still right.

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Re: Why would the Brits....?
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2009, 01:30:41 PM »
fascias: A sheet or band of fibrous connective tissue enveloping, separating, or binding together muscles, organs, and other soft structures of the body

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 Hows "FACTIOUS " then, are you happy?

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Re: Why would the Brits....?
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2009, 01:36:07 PM »

 Hows "FACTIOUS " then, are you happy?

I think the word you're looking for is facetious.


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Re: Why would the Brits....?
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2009, 02:13:02 PM »
I think the word you're looking for is facetious.


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fac·tious Pronunciation (fkshs)
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1. Of, relating to, produced by, or characterized by internal dissension.
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Re: Why would the Brits....?
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2009, 02:49:57 PM »


not sure what your trying to prove here, P was for pursuit, for  obvious patrol planes like the PBY, PB2Y, PB4y. PB standing for patrol/bomber. The F for fighter designation did not become implemented until after WW2

P-51 Mustang
P-47 Thunderbolt
P-39 Warhawk

You're trying to be condescending and failing miserably.   The P-38 was stated on the first page as being a BOMBER, I corrected that error. 

Yeah, you're right, we never had the F6F, F4U or F4F in WWII.  Maybe we can get them to add those planes to a Post WWII Arena?

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Re: Why would the Brits....?
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2009, 03:36:24 PM »

 Hows "FACTIOUS " then, are you happy?

Ya, I'm pretty happy.  Good wife, two kids who don't drive me totally insane.  House is paid for, so are the cars.  I get this lower back pain if I...  Oh nevermind..  I think Ack-Ack nailed what you meant.

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« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2009, 03:39:36 PM »
the situation actually used to be far more complicated than it is now before 1962. At the time there were two different designating systems: one for the US Army Air Force (as the US Air Force was a part of the US Army until 1948), and a separate one for the US Navy.

The US Army Air Force (USAAF) had these P = Pursuit designations for its aircraft. This practice was introduced on 7 March 1925, when the US Army ordered the first series of 15 Curtis XPW-8B fighters under the official designation P-1. The same type, with some modifications, was then introduced with the US Navy as F6C, with the US Navy designating its planes according to the producer (in this case it was F=fighter, 6=6th fighter type by Curtis, C=third version produced). A good example for the USN designating system was the Grumman FF1: although built years after the F6C, it was the first fighter the USN purchased from Grumman, therefore F1 (which was later developed in the F2F that - via the F3F - became the F4F Wildcat after lots of further developement)




Sorry for the confusion, I was only refering to army aircorp planes since the P-38 was of that service. As you can read above there were duifferences between the US Navy and the US Army Aircorp designations and the US Army Aircorp didn't change the designation until after WW2

The USAAF then established a similar system for bombers, starting with the B= bomber, starting with the B-2 Condor, developed in 1924, but introduced in service only in 1929, and - sometimes in between also the A= attack designation was introduced, with one of the first "attackers" of the USAAF being the Northrop A-17.

Now, some classic examples of the USAAF fighter designations:

Seversky P-35
Curtis P-36 Hawk
Lockheed P-38 Lightning
Bell P-39 Airacobra
Curtis P-40 Warhawk, Mohawk, Tomahawk
Republic P-43 Lancer
Republic P-47 Thunderbolt
North American P-51 Mustang
Bell P-59 Airacomet
Bell P-63 Kingcobra
Northrop P-61 Black Widow
Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star
North American F-82 Twin Mustang

The last two were the last fighter-designs for USAAF which carried the P designation. Already the next Republic's fighter became the F-84, and North American then followed with the F-86. Both were, namely, introduced in service only after the USAF was taken out of the US Army and became an independent service. In the same move, also all the former Ps became F=fighters, so during the Korean War, the following designations appeared:

F-51 Mustang
F-80 Shooting Star
F-82 Twin Mustang


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Re: Why would the Brits....?
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2009, 03:58:15 PM »
Ya, I'm pretty happy.  Good wife, two kids who don't drive me totally insane.  House is paid for, so are the cars.  I get this lower back pain if I...  Oh nevermind..  I think Ack-Ack nailed what you meant.



 He did ......but both would be applicable . Too many words have similar meanings and are spelt similar ;) my bad.

Glad to here your doing fine. I don't quite have my house paid off (almost) but even in this market I have over 1,000,000 equity. Now if  anybody including myself could afford to buy it is another thing altogether. Not many people now days can qualify for squat. I have my wife's 2005 Sequoia paid off one more year on my Tacoma and about 7 years on my airstream. Other then that I'm clear. My wife is a mortgage broker and I have never taken any money out of my house to buy stupid things like cars, boats or RV's. I still have one daughter living with me while going to school, 3 dogs 4 parrots and a Koi pond. Oh yeah my wife has a horse which costs me more then all the rest of my pets put together.

I also have back problems, ruptured a disk about 7 years ago and have never been the same. Hang in there.... I hear ceramic spines are only a few years away  :lol

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Re: Why would the Brits....?
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2009, 05:18:55 PM »
P-51 Mustang
P-47 Thunderbolt
P-39 Warhawk

You're trying to be condescending and failing miserably.   The P-38 was stated on the first page as being a BOMBER, I corrected that error. 

Yeah, you're right, we never had the F6F, F4U or F4F in WWII.  Maybe we can get them to add those planes to a Post WWII Arena?


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Re: Why would the Brits....?
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2009, 11:06:01 AM »
F6C, with the US Navy designating its planes according to the producer (in this case it was F=fighter, 6=6th fighter type by Curtis, C=third version produced)


I thought the trailing letter in Navy type designations ('C' in F6C) referred to the manufacturer, in this case, Curtiss.  Like how the 'U' in F4U refers to Vought, G = Goodyear, D = Douglas, H was McDonnell in the 50s, etc.
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