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Offline hornet36

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quite a story
« on: June 19, 2009, 06:53:21 PM »
-- quite a story.
 
Look carefully at the B-17 and note how shot up it is - one engine dead, tail, horizontal stabilizer and nose shot up.. It was ready to fall out of the sky. (This is a painting done by an artist from the description of both pilots many years later.) Then realize that there is a German ME-109 fighter flying next to it. Now read the story below. I think you'll be surprised.....



 
Charlie Brown was a B-17 Flying Fortress pilot with the 379th Bomber Group at Kimbolton, England. His B-17 was called 'Ye Old Pub' and was in a terrible state, having been hit by flak and fighters. The compass was damaged and they were flying deeper over enemy territory instead of heading home to Kimbolton. 
 
After flying the B-17 over an enemy airfield, a German pilot named Franz Steigler was ordered to take off and shoot down the B-17. When he got near the B-17, he could not believe his eyes. In his words, he 'had never seen a plane in such a bad state'. The tail and rear section was severely damaged, and the tail gunner wounded. The top gunner was all over the top of the fuselage.  The nose was smashed and there were holes everywhere. 
 
Despite having ammunition, Franz flew to the side of the B-17 and looked at Charlie Brown, the pilot. Brown was scared and struggling to control his damaged and blood-stained plane.
 
     BF-109 pilot Franz Stigler                                B-17 pilot Charlie Brown..
     
 
Aware that they had no idea where they were going, Franz waved at Charlie to turn 180 degrees. Franz escorted and guided the stricken plane to, and slightly over, the North Sea towards England. He then saluted Charlie Brown and turned away, back to Europe.  When Franz landed he told the CO that the plane had been shot down over the sea, and never told the truth to anybody. Charlie Brown and the remains of his crew told all at their briefing, but were ordered never to talk about it. 
 
More than 40 years later, Charlie Brown wanted to find the Luftwaffe pilot who saved the crew. After years of research, Franz was found. He had never talked about the incident, not even at post-war reunions.
 
They met in the USA at a 379th Bomber Group reunion, together with 25 people who are alive now - all because Franz never fired his guns that day.
 
(L-R) German Ace Franz Stigler, artist Ernie Boyett, and B-17 pilot Charlie Brown.


 
When asked why he didn’t shoot them down, Stigler later said, “I didn’t have the heart to finish those brave men.  I flew beside them for a long time.  They were trying desperately to get home and I was going to let them do that.  I could not have shot at them.  It would have been the same as shooting at a man in a parachute.” 

 
Both men died in 2008.

 

 
This is a true story  http://www.snopes.com/military/charliebrown.asp

 
THIS WAS BACK IN THE DAYS WHEN THERE WAS HONOR IN BEING A WARRIOR...THEY PROUDLY WORE UNIFORMS, AND THEY DIDN'T HIDE IN AMBUSH INSIDE A MOSQUE, OR BEHIND WOMEN AND CHILDREN, NOR DID THEY  USE MENTALLY RETARDED WOMEN AS SUICIDE BOMBERS TO TARGET AND KILL INNOCENT CIVILIANS...HOW TIMES HAVE CHANGED......

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Re: quite a story
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2009, 09:47:44 PM »
YOU"RE RIGHT WE SHOULD NEUTRON BOMB ALL THOSE DIRTY TERRORISTS.

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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2009, 09:50:23 PM »
Great story, no need to soil it with politics.
Guerrilla warfare has been around for thousands years BTW, and is one of the reasons for American Independence.
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Re: quite a story
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2009, 11:15:17 PM »
That is a great war story. <S>

To a small extent actions like this come along once in a great while in this game.

(Not that theres any real comparison.....)


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Re: quite a story
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2009, 11:34:23 PM »
WOW! Had never heard that one. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: quite a story
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2009, 11:45:26 PM »
Great story, no need to soil it with politics.
Guerrilla warfare has been around for thousands years BTW, and is one of the reasons for American Independence.

Agreed.  It's a fairly well known story. 

If you believe what you wrote as your commentary afterwards, I'd suggest some serious history study.
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2009, 12:12:49 AM »
Yeah its a fantastic story  :salute
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Re: quite a story
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2009, 12:51:22 AM »
THIS WAS BACK IN THE DAYS WHEN THERE WAS HONOR IN BEING A WARRIOR...THEY PROUDLY WORE UNIFORMS, AND THEY DIDN'T HIDE IN AMBUSH INSIDE A MOSQUE, OR BEHIND WOMEN AND CHILDREN, NOR DID THEY  USE MENTALLY RETARDED WOMEN AS SUICIDE BOMBERS TO TARGET AND KILL INNOCENT CIVILIANS...HOW TIMES HAVE CHANGED......

Why would desecrate a good story with this BS?   You shame the two gentlemen you speak of, by including that BS.   
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Re: quite a story
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2009, 02:12:38 AM »
Why would desecrate a good story with this BS?   You shame the two gentlemen you speak of, by including that BS.   

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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2009, 09:41:05 AM »
Why would desecrate a good story with this BS?   You shame the two gentlemen you speak of, by including that BS.   


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Re: quite a story
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2009, 10:22:48 AM »
Great story thanks for sharing. :salute

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Re: quite a story
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2009, 11:36:02 AM »
THIS WAS BACK IN THE DAYS WHEN THERE WAS HONOR IN BEING A WARRIOR...THEY PROUDLY WORE UNIFORMS, AND THEY DIDN'T HIDE IN AMBUSH INSIDE A MOSQUE, OR BEHIND WOMEN AND CHILDREN, NOR DID THEY  USE MENTALLY RETARDED WOMEN AS SUICIDE BOMBERS TO TARGET AND KILL INNOCENT CIVILIANS...HOW TIMES HAVE CHANGED......



just a copy and paste...don't shoot the messenger... ;)

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Re: quite a story
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2009, 11:40:55 AM »
this isn't the place to copy and paste it, you might want to delete it.

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Re: quite a story
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2009, 02:08:23 PM »
THIS WAS BACK IN THE DAYS WHEN THERE WAS HONOR IN BEING A WARRIOR...THEY PROUDLY WORE UNIFORMS, AND THEY DIDN'T HIDE IN AMBUSH INSIDE A MOSQUE, OR BEHIND WOMEN AND CHILDREN, NOR DID THEY  USE MENTALLY RETARDED WOMEN AS SUICIDE BOMBERS TO TARGET AND KILL INNOCENT CIVILIANS...HOW TIMES HAVE CHANGED......



just a copy and paste...don't shoot the messenger... ;)

Wink at someone else.   You took the time to "snopes" it.   To think you're even a CM and posting that crap. 
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Re: quite a story
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2009, 03:24:36 PM »
Agreed.  It's a fairly well known story. 

If you believe what you wrote as your commentary afterwards, I'd suggest some serious history study.
I'll ask you what the military tactics were in the Revolutionary War?  What point of his are you disputing?


Revolutionary War, the British believed it to be "honorable" to line up in nice tight rows in front of each other and shoot for three or four hours, whoever was left standing won.

Americans, the savages we were, decided that standing behind walls and trees that stopped those pesky bullets, and shooting at the nicely lined up European ranks.... (then run when they got too close), was more our style.  This is true small unit guerrilla warfare, versus a larger, more powerful/  less mobile enemy.   

As far as his history, maybe it is you that should study.  This style of war fighting has been around since B.C. 

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Since Classical Antiquity, when many strategies and tactics were used to fight foreign occupation that anticipated the modern guerrilla. An early example was the hit-and-run tactics employed by the nomadic Scythians of Central Asia against Darius the Great's Persian Achaemenid Empire and later against Alexander the Great's Macedonian Empire. The Fabian strategy applied by the Roman Republic against Hannibal in the Second Punic War could be considered another early example of guerrilla tactics: After witnessing several disastrous defeats, assassinations and raiding parties, the Romans set aside the typical military doctrine of crushing the enemy in a single battle and initiated a successful, albeit unpopular, war of attrition against the Carthaginians that lasted for 14 years. In expanding their own Empire, the Romans encountered numerous examples of guerrilla resistance to their legions as well.[2] The success of Judas Maccabeus in his rebellion against Seleucid rule was at least partly due to his mastery of irregular warfare.
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