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[Pongo]

 

Originally posted by jmccaul:
I assume that all LW pilots who are against introducing the spit 14 are even more veamently opposed to introducing the 262 ?

Am i right ?  

[This message has been edited by jmccaul (edited 07-09-2000).]

mmmmm.
mmmmm.
thats not fair...
But you are right. Both would have to be perk planes definatly.
and vis versa spit XIV boosters accept the 262 as it was operational at the same time and was more signifigant in service...
I have reservations about the 190D9 being a perk plane but I might underestimate its capabilities.

I would still rather have an MB5 than either 262 or spit 14

[funked]

"vis versa spit XIV boosters accept the 262 as it was operational at the same time and was more signifigant in service"

That's silly Pongo, XIV was in squadron service 1/44, but JV 44 wasn't active until the summer, and with only 2 or 3 planes operational at once.

[Hristo]

If the Spit XIV outdives and outruns the Dora on the deck, perk it. Otherwise, leave it available to anyone  

Seriously, I don't think either Dora or Spit XIV should be perked. Nor 262, for that matter.

Perk planes, IMO:

Ta 152, He 162, Do 335, Meteor, P 51H etc.

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Hristo:
If the Spit XIV outdives and outruns the Dora on the deck, perk it. Otherwise, leave it available to anyone  

Seriously, I don't think either Dora or Spit XIV should be perked. Nor 262, for that matter.

Perk planes, IMO:

Ta 152, He 162, Do 335, Meteor, P 51H etc.

Heyy.. thats mean, not my Ta152, He162 or Do335!

[pzvg]

At the risk of wasting my time, a simple question, please without all the jingoistic hype this time.
Ahem, why does everyone assume that this plane or that plane is some "uber" (stupid freaking word) ride? a handsomehunk in a zeke is different from a handsomehunk in a spit XIV in what way? does the plane choose it's own engagements? does it refuse to perform outside it's envelope? In other words, If I get on it's 6, can it magically get away unscathed (note; I said no hype) I would rather wait and see what planes HTC decides to do, instead of this frivolous verbal sparring between a few fanatics who aren't making the damn game, and so really do not make the choice of what plane is going to be in or out. I hope you all get the plane you want, and You think it's modelled right (highly unlikely with this crowd) you know why? 'cause you're still gonna get shot down, somewhere sometime (trust me, if I can bring down Torque, anything can happen)
Now let us lay the great big smelly "my dad can beat up your dad" preschool kind of squeak session back in it's grave.
 
Or rename this board AGW2  

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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"

[MANDOBLE]

Hristo, IMO:
1 - Actually Luftwaffe planes (any year) in AH are facing US planes that hit and kill at 1000 yards.
2 - US planes (any year) are facing Luftwaffe planes that hit and kill at 400 yards (in my case at 300 or 500 for buffs).

Give me 4 Mk103...

[Pongo]

 

Originally posted by funked:
"vis versa spit XIV boosters accept the 262 as it was operational at the same time and was more signifigant in service"

That's silly Pongo, XIV was in squadron service 1/44, but JV 44 wasn't active until the summer, and with only 2 or 3 planes operational at once.

Silly...
pretty strong words funked.
Where the Spit XIVs doing anything but landing patterns befor the V1s showed up? Which was end of June right..
In a 6 year war that is near enough contemporary for me.
And in Aces High land they would all have been operational...no reliability issues.

[mx22]

 

Originally posted by Pongo:
Silly...
pretty strong words funked.
Where the Spit XIVs doing anything but landing patterns befor the V1s showed up? Which was end of June right..
In a 6 year war that is near enough contemporary for me.
And in Aces High land they would all have been operational...no reliability issues.

Pongo,

You are now flying German planes with no realibility issues whatsoever. I think it was JG26 book, where I read that many latewar German planes were rather dangerous to fly because of poor manufacturing. So before you scream anything else, think if you want your BF109G10 quit on you every other mission.

mx22

[Pongo]

 

Originally posted by pzvg:
At the risk of wasting my time, a simple question, please without all the jingoistic hype this time.
Ahem, why does everyone assume that this plane or that plane is some "uber" (stupid freaking word) ride? a handsomehunk in a zeke is different from a handsomehunk in a spit XIV in what way? does the plane choose it's own engagements? does it refuse to perform outside it's envelope? In other words, If I get on it's 6, can it magically get away unscathed (note; I said no hype) I would rather wait and see what planes HTC decides to do, instead of this frivolous verbal sparring between a few fanatics who aren't making the damn game, and so really do not make the choice of what plane is going to be in or out. I hope you all get the plane you want, and You think it's modelled right (highly unlikely with this crowd) you know why? 'cause you're still gonna get shot down, somewhere sometime (trust me, if I can bring down Torque, anything can happen)
Now let us lay the great big smelly "my dad can beat up your dad" preschool kind of squeak session back in it's grave.
 
Or rename this board AGW2  

What did you want discussed on the Aces High bullitin board...BBQ cooking tips?

Look at your name sake. Who would take any other tank if the Panther G was freely available. masochists? It is mostly imune to the fire of any of them  yet can destroy any of them at 3K plus...
And in Aces high shots like that are available all the time. But it is obviosly historically one of two primary mid 44 German tanks.So should it be in the game? Without limitations?
The Spit XIV seems like it would be a Spit IX with the climb and top speed of a 109G10.
Its level deck speed could be boosted to 400mph

It doesnt have an imunity to fire like the Panther but you gotta see that many other planes would be rare if it was always available in the hanger.

[Nashwan]

 

Where the Spit XIVs doing anything but landing patterns befor the V1s showed up? Which was end of June right..

Pongo, are you being deliberately insulting?The history of 322 (Dutch) squadron website at http://user.online.be/ragas/airwar/322operations.html
shows that 322 sqd recieved Spit 14s on 10.3.44 (10 March to Americans). They reequiped with Spit IXs in Aug 44. The operations log shows the following entries
Month Flights Op Flying hours
March 44        30        37      escorte and patrols
April 44       108       105      scrambles and defence patrols
May 44          517       649      scrambles, defence patrols and fighter sweeps
June 44          691       851      defence patrols and anti-diver patrols
July 44         1030      1137      anti-diver patrols
Aug. 44          580       881      anti-diver patrols and escort
Looks like more than landing patterns to me. ^10 sqd equiped with Spit XIVs in Jan, so their "Landing patterns" would have started earlier.
Contrary to what you seem to want to believe, the RAF flew and fought actively over Europe for the first half of 44 as well as the second. They didn't simply sit around waiting for the V-1s to arrive.


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[Hristo]

 

Originally posted by MANDOBLE:
Hristo, IMO:
1 - Actually Luftwaffe planes (any year) in AH are facing US planes that hit and kill at 1000 yards.
2 - US planes (any year) are facing Luftwaffe planes that hit and kill at 400 yards (in my case at 300 or 500 for buffs).

Give me 4 Mk103...

I would not blame the guns, they are correct IMO.

It is the ICONS which make that possible. Dump them and see what happens.

[jmccaul]

Why should the meteor be perk plane? It became operational just after the 262 and more wartime examples were produced than the F4U-1C.

Also i don't think you should base impact on purley number produced because surley attrition will effect how many see service. Looking at the number of sorties flown would be more reliable, no ?

i.e. 1 pilot may fly 10 sorties in 3 planes while one pilot may fly 50 sorties in one.    

[Hristo]

Meteor should be perked. Like in real life. They were there, but never fought other planes.

[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by Hristo:
Meteor should be perked. Like in real life. They were there, but never fought other planes.

And the only fights the 262 made were getting enough seperation clob the throttles and streak out of sight  

Eh but really looking at it, the 262 doesn't have enough good points to perk it. Horrible level acceleration, toughness that makes a Betty seem durable, high fuel burn rate and the need for a ridiculously long runway to take off and land. Then there's the red out/ black out issues, gun jamming, and turning ability.

Anyone that gets suckered into a dog fight with a prop fighter will more then likely die. Only real thing it's got going for it are speed, guns, zoom, ability, and altitude preformence.

Okay with perking the Meteor, and the P-51H, but I'd rather see a P-51K and P-51B first.

 

- Jig

[Hristo]

 

Originally posted by Jigster:

Anyone that gets suckered into a dog fight with a prop fighter will more then likely die. Only real thing it's got going for it are speed, guns, zoom, ability, and altitude preformence.

Which happen to be the most important plane qualities for the arena.


 

Originally posted by Jigster:
And the only fights the 262 made were getting enough seperation clob the throttles and streak out of sight        


- Jig

I want it, I want it        


I want to fly the most beautiful WW2 plane.

I want to make 1 ping kills on cannon Hogs.

I want to outdive the damn P 47s.

I want the enemies to shed wings while diving with me.

I want the best all around visibility in a plane.

I want to down buffs quicker than C-Hog.

I want to extend farther than GFish.

I want to turn less than Ypsilon.

I want to dive into the merge faster than Hangtime    

I want to HO more than GTR.

And most of all, I want the open channel to look something like: "...run, cowardly 262, run..."



[This message has been edited by Hristo (edited 07-10-2000).]