Ju87D, Ju87G for the Rudel wannabe's soon i hope

[Citabria]

the guy made 10 a2a kills in the 190f8 variants and busted over 500 tanks mostly w the ju87 models and had the worlds greatest marksman for a rear gunner who killed multiple enemies chasing their stuka  

there is certainly many luftwaffe players who admire this individuals flying skills and luck(not his politics though hopefully) who would be stalwart ju87 flyers during any air to ground sorties.

hoping for the Ju87D before the ju87G though since the ju87G was really a ju87D-5 w 37mm gondolas  

[Wotan]

Throughout his military career he displayed talent, courage and toughness. His final tally of successes is awing;

-2530 sorties (including some 400 in a Folke-Wulf 190).
-11 air to air victories (in the FW-109).
-519 Tanks Destroyed (30+of these came when he was only flying with one leg).
-150 Artillery pieces destroyed.
-1000 vehicles destroyed.
-70 landing crafts.
-Sunk Battleship “Marat”.
-2 Cruisers and a Destroyer sunken.
 http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/iron_cross/golden_diamonds/golddiamonds_recipient/rudel.htm

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[AG Sachsenberg]

He also flew the D-9.  He was not much for flying fighter's though.  Loved his Stuka, and in all honesty was the best pilot ever IMO.  HE had quite the large price tag on his head from the russians, as you can see by his stats I can see why    

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[Karnak]

He was also an unrepentant Nazi.

How many times was he shot down?

How many of his tailgunners were killed?

The guy was a bastard and a half.

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[GRUNHERZ]

Im not exactly sure bout his tailgunners, but hes often mentioned specifically with one or two gunners, so I really doubt they were dying in droves by any means. Of course we all know how poorly IL2 gunners fared in the war. Anyway as for his personal bravery, courage and loyalty to his comrades he was often known to land behind enmy lines and rescue downed crews. As for his nazi ideals, no doubt he was an unrepentant misguided fanatic for long after the war. But there can be no doubt he was the greatest combat pilot in all of military history, bar none! His stats if nothing else bear this out, NOBODY NOBODY in history of combat aviation flew as many combat sorties, or spent as many total hours flying in combat. NOBODY even comes close.

[Wingnut_0]

 

Originally posted by Karnak:
He was also an unrepentant Nazi.

The guy was a bastard and a half.

That he was but his personal beliefs have no basis of his skill.  And he was a highly skilled ground attack pilot.

Wingnut

[AG Sachsenberg]

 

Originally posted by Karnak:
He was also an unrepentant Nazi.

How many times was he shot down?

How many of his tailgunners were killed?

The guy was a bastard and a half.

I know he lost one gunner that drowned, but the guy had a few screws loose.  He was, and no one ever will come close ot what he did.  He rescued downed pilots in a stuka!!  What is impressive he flew right up until the end in a stuka.  So what if he got shot down the best pilots happened to them as well.  How would you know if he was a bastard?  

[R4M]

He was a hardcore nazi. HE was a hell of a pilot, and a very very underdog one (many people know Hartmann's name and records, but not many remember who Rudel was).

But he was possibly the best combat pilot in WWII. At least the Luftwaffe condecorated him over any other ace (Knight's cross with GOLD Oak Leaves, swords and diamonds), wich is a credit for his bravery in combat.

He was a very good teammate, known for landing to rescue downed mates. We all know how did the russians treat the shot down Luftwaffe pilots,and so he did, so he was risking more than death there.

 He was shot down many times, yet I think he only lost one gunner during the whole war.

That he was a nazi pig doenst hid the fact that was one of the best fighting men in history. As I said long time ago, I?m sorry for those who cant admire the bravery and skill of some people because they have completely screwed political views. I hate Rudel as a Nazi, but I deeply admire him as a pilot.

And I want the Ju-87G in AH!!!  

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[Fishu]

Hmm, I wonder if HTC would give 1000kg bombs with the Stuka..
Since theres not a single 1000kg/2000lb bombs available, other than halifaxs 4000lb.

[Staga]

Ju-87D could carry 1800kg bomb in center rack.

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Staga:
Ju-87D could carry 1800kg bomb in center rack.

that would be a must bomb.

[Dowding]

Attila the Hun was a magnificent leader and a tough and able fighter - do you admire him? He raped, pillaged and enslaved.

William Wallace was a magnificent leader and a tough and able fighter - do you admire him? He raped, tortured and murdered.

You see, a lot of people here have such a gift for separating a man into component parts. Sure he was great pilot, but you are able to overlook his political beliefs as if they weren't even there.

There's respect, then there's admiration and finally there is 'hero-worship'.

So many times the LW is seen as some glorious force desperately defending a embattled and bombarded nation. Like knights of old.

Bollocks.

That same LW force was strafing refugees in France, bombing the great cities of Poland to pieces and Blitzing London, Coventry, Sheffield etc etc.

Respect I can understand. I respect the LW aces who despised Nazism and admire those who openly resisted it at great cost to themselves. But admiring ardent Nazis 'for their flying skills'? Talking about hundreds of kills of tanks like you were proclaiming end-of-season scoring stats. for your favourite football player?

THAT is hero-worship or the talk of children.

Personally, it's akin to me saying 'I do not agree with Hitler for his political views, but I admire his moustache-trimming skills'. It is simply ridiculous in the extreme.

[Staga]

Hehe Dowding...

So many times the RedArmy is seen as some glorious force desperately defending a embattled and bombarded nation. Like knights of old.

Bollocks.

That same RedArmy force was strafing refugees in Finland, bombing the great cities of Finland and Estonia to pieces and Blitzing Helsinki and Tampere and several other cities in Finland etc etc.

Now keep politics out of AH please.

Edit: BTW my father was a refugee; He and his family had to left Viipuri because of russian invasion. He told me how they had to run to the woods from road because of Russian fighters and bombers.
Looks like you have a problem with "Nazi-pilots".
Should I have a problem with Commie-Pilots too? Because I don't have any problems to fly with commie plane or respect those Russian pilots who fought in WW2, Just like any other pilots who fought for their country.

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[R4M]

Dowding, three words for you:

Sir Arthur Harris

You recognize that name?  

[edit]apart, the two persons you name own to an age were pillage was as usual as war.Personally I admire way more Genghis Khan, and he was one of the most cruel leaders the world has seen.But that has nothing to do with his administrative and military skills, wich are the reasons why I admire him.[/quote]


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[Nashwan]

Sir Arthur Harris is a man who did a difficult job. He fought using some of the same methods as his enemies, because when he took command it was the only way Britain could fight. He did not invent area bombing, or introduce it, he simply refined a German tactic. He fought for a  better world, not for a vision of hell that the Nazi's would have brought.
Don't compare him to scum like Rudel, or any Nazi for that matter.