I love my 190 a5!

[pzvg]

Muhahaahahahahahahah,<deep breath> ahahahahahahaha! Hmm Did one try to warn the little paper waving people politely that they would be in for a shock when the A5 showed up? yes one did, yes yes, but they see 190, they think A8, Lo, it TURNS! horror shock, (20mm rounds impacting) Muahahahahahahahahahahaha!
P.S. I don't find it uber in the least, just well (No! it's a dirty word here) competitive

Whassamatter? Ya's don' like having ta work for ya supper?
         


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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"

[Kieren]

 

Originally posted by Karnak:
Don't ban anything, add new things.    

Sisu
-Karnak

Agreed. Spit XIV anyone?   (Damn, I'm a fickle bird!) hehehe

[juzz]

Hangtime, do you really think the P-51D could possibly turn any better than the Mustang Mk I(P-51)?

Here's a second opinion on the matter, just to clarify things further.  

[F4UDOA]

Juzz,

Read this  http://members.home.net/markw4/FW190_F4U.html . The Fw-190A5 was a very good dogfighting A/C. Not however a good turning A/C by any means. Wing loading relative to the Mustang and F4U-1D. It even states on the report that you referenced that the P-51 is suprior in tight turning circles.

Fw-190A-5=weight 8690lbs wing area 197sq ft
Wing loading=44.1

P-51D=weight 9500Lbs wing area 233.19
wing loading=40.73

F4U-1D=Weight 11988lbs wing area 314
wing loading=38.1

My biggest problem however is that it seems way to fast at sea level. It is supposed to be 30Mph slower at sea level than the F4U but that certainly doesn't seem to be the case. It not only seems to be faster but it's E retention seems to better than P-51 and Bf109G10's. I have enough film of this to go around of extended chases that I get no further no matter what the situation or even if the A-5 begins a climb and I stay level. Enjoy it while it last LW boy's.
It will either be short lived or many will find other playgrounds to play in.

F4UDOA

[This message has been edited by F4UDOA (edited 06-21-2000).]

[Nash]

Muahaha...

While the sky grows ever dark... the sun blotted out by the increasing hoard of 190's... the throng takes shape, the torches are being lit, the march is beginning.

[Zigrat]

I thought the wing area was 203 sq. feet
and many of us fly without the MG FF which reduces the weight

[Kieren]

Now post the power loading of all 3.  

[Hangtime]

"Whassamatter? Ya's don' like having ta work for ya supper?"

LOL.. far from it. The new A5's are hot; expected that. Knew they were fierce; best turner in the FW lineup; but my understanding was it could not out flat turn a Merlin Pony on the deck. Certainly, AFAIK it did not have better e retention than a pony. As of yet, nothin the LW fans have put up here yet indicates otherwise.

But; I'm keeping an open mind, and I ain't condeming the flight models.. yet..  just wanted to see the data.

Anyboy have a chance to run off the numbers yet on the AH FW's?

Thanks Kieren and FU4DOA.. on the money replies.  

Hang

[Kieren]

F4U-1D:

Weight- 12,039 lb
2,230 hp at sea level (with WEP)

P-51B:

Weight- 11,200 lb
1,600 hp at 11,800 feet


Fw190-A5:

Weight- 8,770 lb
1,700 hp at sea level

All weights are the full-up weights.

[wells]

Speed and climb look good as per captured flight test data.

340 flat out on the deck, 4000 fpm initial climb, dropping to 3k/min at around 10k.  The stall seems a tad slow to me.  I measured 106 power off, 101 power on.  The flight test data indicated 110 but I don't know what the instrument error was, I'll have to look at the data again.

190 should have better E-retention than pony when you haul the stick back.  Better power loading (less weight for same power) in combination with less wing area and a higher aspect ratio wing = better E-retention.  The P-51 should probably have the smaller radius with less than 1/2 fuel, but will fly the circle slower and the 190 may have the superior rate of turn by flying a slightly larger circle at higher speed.

[Dingy]

     

Originally posted by RAM:
Until then ,shuddup. We, A8 drivers, do magic with an A5...does it surprise you?

oh, I'm not surprised with it.

Easy there RAM...EVERYONE can do wonders with an A5 provided they fly it right.  Its definately the most deadly plane in the game right now...if I can get 8 kills per sortie 2 times over the last 2 days with it, its uber      

Personally, I think its dulled the game.  EVERYONE is flying the A5 including me.  Seems to make the game a bit more boring.  Lately its seemed like Air Quake.

-Ding
by Dingy (edited 06-22-2000).]

[This message has been edited by Dingy (edited 06-22-2000).]

[Kieren]

Let's put this in perspective... this is an early/mid war design. It is uber for now (by appearance) because we aren't used to it. It does have weaknesses too, as will soon be exposed.

This too shall pass...  

[wells]

Kieren,

I think your 51 is carrying 2000 lbs worth of ord!

DOA, go here
 http://members.xoom.com/mikewaltz/F-TR-1102-ND.htm

Note that the true speed is shown as 340 mph (p75) but the indicated speed would be somewhere around 325 (p74).  Likewise, for stall, if you continue the trend of the graph, you need to subtract at least 6 mph from the indicated speed of 110 mph, so the model would seem to be accurate.  WTG HTC!!

[juzz]

Climbrate is a little too good I think. It climbs pretty much on the numbers of the USN test - but with 2 MG FF. The USN test plane only had the inner cannon fitted.

OTOH, the top speed seems to be less than the A-8, and certainly not up to the 415mph at 22k reached in the USN test.

That P-51B weight would be with a full rear tank and two droptanks, by the looks of it.

[This message has been edited by juzz (edited 06-22-2000).]

[bashwolf]

I am telling you don,t you guys pick on My D9 when it comes out.  I placed an order.  Till than ill fly all planes but a5 is good subsustite for D9 for the time being  

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