I love my 190 a5!

[popeye]

Flew the A5 for the first time tonight.

Wow!

popeye

[pzvg]

Again the people with books   Tell ya what, when one o' yas can get a BOOK off the runway, take her 10K, do a cuban 8 into a E-bleeding snaproll to level on final, then we'll talk about the planes, ok?
If you have to complain about every plane that beats you, then maybe you should re-examine your motivation for being here, last few weeks have caused me to start seriously examining mine.  

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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"

[F4UDOA]

Your book is overmodeled.

[-lazs-]

pzvg has a point... You can find a "book" to support allmost any performance claim but for sure they vary more than 10% or so in a lot of areas.   Pick the "best" performance figures for one plane and the worst for another and use them in a sim and you bias the game to one ac... I like the side by side comparisson tests that were done during the war with captured ac... The more detailed the better.

AH is unique in having good turning 190's.  When compared to the AH Hog and P51 (at least.), they don't match "real" comparative or anecdotal data.   IMO, AH is a game that is heavily biased toward LW planes for whatever reason.   There is no AH data for the Spit 9 or the P47 and no turn data for any of the planesI don't think that is the best money making policy.  I also believe that the A5 model is the better playing model... Toward the faster, better end of the data scale, and that all the other planes should be adjusted up to compare historicaly with it.

We have a game where a 190A will outturn a P51 and a Hog.   Something will have to give.
lazs

[Pongo]

lazs. have you posted  your turn test data..I missed it I guess. Just that I have experiaced some dead heat turn fights with the 190a5 vs jugs. With a slight advanage to the jug. But I might be doing yo yos and not realizing it.

[StSanta]

I will now fly 190A5 til someone take a look at oddities with 109 FM.

You fly it like you fly A8, right?

Only now you can actually fight, not just attack  


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[Citabria]

ive been killing 205s with the 190a5 in the vertical and staying glued to their but in flat turns when they try to run away

[niklas]

p51 D outturning 190A5?? Forget it.

Who can give me a circle time for a P51?? It was usual in a flight test to measure the minimum circle times for a fighter, so i´m sure they exist. So please post them! Or do you fear the truth?? Then believe in these doubtable flight comparison tests!!

niklas

[Hangtime]

Ahhhhh.. ummmm...

(hang sticks toe in water)

... brrrrr. cold.

Hey my gramps useta say 'opinions are like amazinhunks... everybody hase at least one..'

Test data, both on the A/C in question as modeled in the sim and comparative examination of this obtained data against the reports presented in Americas One Hundred Thousand is a reasonable place to start.

Check the other thread (comparitaive tests P51 v A5) for AH test results. Wells is checking the A5 and p51 turn circles; and we already have some speed testing up..

So; slam those amazinhunks shut unless yah have data to contribute...

Of course thats just my opinion; I could be wrong.  

 

Hang

[F4UDOA]

Hang,

I second that motion.

Pucker up Buttercup  

Seeya

[brendo]

Doh

Sorry

[This message has been edited by brendo (edited 06-27-2000).]

[Torque]

Dang nasty in here.......

[StSanta]

Hangtime:

right on, bro  

[-lazs-]

Ok, let's keep it simple.. The AH 190A5 outturns an AH Corsair.   Offline i get a min. of 3 sec better turn time with the 190 over the Corsair (no flaps) "real life" tests show that a Corsair could "easily" outturn a 190A5 "at any speed".    

I don't want the A5 neutered but I want the other planes brought up to comparitive performance.   If not... Why not just call AH "Secret weapons of the LW" and be done with it.
lazs

[juzz]

Left turns on the deck, 100% fuel and WEP.

Fw 190A-5: 25s at 165mph
F4U-1D: 30s at 130mph
P-51D: 30s at 150mph (27s with 75% fuel)

I can't get consistant figures from the P-51D.  

I find it very easy to push the Fw 190A-5 right to the edge of its turning ability, much easier than the other two at least.

[This message has been edited by juzz (edited 06-27-2000).]