So what can us LW get...

[StSanta]

for jabo runs?

Sure the F8 is nice with its 4 50kg eggs, but ya get more bang for ya buck and survivability by taking a 30mm or 20mm equipped A8.

did it have another bigger loadout that was used at least to some extent?

The 410? Any good bombload/rocket load? With the exception of the R4M's, the LW really dinnae have any rockets - but they did have an abundance of other ordnance.

What other bird, or what other loadouts for existing birds, can the LW look forward to?

I get sorta green with envy when I see a P-47 chug along 3 eggs that each can kill an ostie with a near miss - plus rockets. P-38 carries  almost as much, and the 51 has a good load. Tiffie as well.

LW and the Japanese boys sort of miss a jabo that can take a decent load. Am wondering what that ride can be, if any?

[Vermillion]

Probably not a whole lot Santa, at least in regards to AH.

You might try to get Pyro to add some more of the armament options to the 190 G or F, (see Funked's many postings on that) otherwise your best bet is probably the Me410 or the Hs129.

Neither is going to do very well in the AH main arena (or as good a job as the American Jabo's), but the 410 is definitely the more interesting of the two.

It could carry up to 2,000lbs of bombs, and could carry a multitude of cannon options from the MG151/20, Mk108, Mk103, up to the big BK50, depending on how it was configured for a schnell bomber mission or a zeroester mission

[brady]

Ki 102 for the Japanese, the 57mm gun option speaks for it's self and the Ho-5's it caries were one of the best 20mm's of the war, it only caries 2 500pound bombs if memory servies, but the big cannon would help to offset this i think, fast and manuaverable, it would be fun.

 The Grace would be another nice ride for the Japanese it caried 800 killos of ordance a torpedo or bombs, 2 20mm type 99 II canons and a 13mm mg in the rear good spead to ,carier capable.

 The 210mm rockets the german jabos caried are now timed fuzed and do not explode on impact(right?), If this is so why not? they were used as point impact weapons to so why cant they blow up on impact?

[funkedup]

If you want a Luftwaffe uber-Jabo you've got to look at the Messerschmitt twins (110, 210, 410, 262).  They also had some nice dedicated attack planes (Hs 129, Ju 87) and close support versions of several twin-engine bombers.

But the Germans did not historically have a single-engine Jabo which could match the much larger (and thus more able to carry a big load without prohibitive performance penalty) single engined fighters like the P-47, Typhoon, Corsair, etc.

[AcId]

I would say that based on the pictures and data I found here an ME410 would be a good choice, I don't know if the data is correct or what the source actually was but in the first .jpg it states a top speed of 625kph/388mph and up to 2000Kg/4400lbs of bombs. With that speed I would think it would be very survivable in the MA.

Looking through it all again....probably a perk if all the data is correct. *shrugs* I dunno

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[Beefcake]

Stsanta you're getting your Me262 so QUIT YER squeakIN!!  

[Westy MOL]

"What other bird....can the LW look forward to?"[/img]

 I sent HiTech a bottle of the finest to bribe him for what I think you should get next  

 

[juzz]

The Fw 190F-8 should get the ER-4 adaptor to allow it to carry 4x50kg on the centreline rack, plus the wing bombs = 8x50kg bombs total - which should be useful, yes?

The Me 109 series should have the ER-4 adaptor available too.

It should really also be able to carry a 250kg bomb or 300l DT on each wing, since the Fw 190F-8 replaced the Fw 190G as the long range jabo in 1944 anyway. This would allow it to carry a total bombload of 1000kg - equal to the 2x1000lb bombs that the American fighters can carry.

[Fishu]

Im still missing those two 1000kg bombs from Ju88  

[-lynx-]

Westy - what the heck is that thing???

[Replicant]

I'd like to see the Hs129 very much.  Obviously there's always the different variants of the Stuka Ju87 too.

On another note, what difference is the Fw190-F9 to the F8?  I rather like the F8 and for one tour used it successfully as an alternative to the Typhoon.

Regards

Nexx

[GRUNHERZ]

The F9 and A9 differ from the A8 and F8 in having a much more powerful 2200HP BMW801TS engine, a new 14 blade cooling fan instead of the old 12 blade fan and a new much wider paddle blade propeller similar to that on the 190Ds and Ta152s.  This was faster and climbed better. Plus the A9 got the blown hood as standard. A number of these were in use during 1945.

[Wilbus]

Lynx, it's a "Bachem Ba349 Natter".

Rocket engine wich gave 3.748lbs thrust + 4x2.640lbs help rocket.
it had 24 air to air rockets in the nose made to take out bombers.
Max speed 497Mph at sea level. Initial climb rate was 36.000 feet per minute, cealin 45k and a max service distance of about 24miles at 39k.

Never saw action.

[Replicant]

Lynx, if you look out for the October edition of 'Aeroplane' magazine it features a very detailed, and interesting, piece on the Ba349 Natter (Adder).  Check it out!

TY Grunherz.  I take it that the F9 had a better climb rate than the F8 too?  The F9 also has 2 x MG151 and 2 x MG131 and the same payload as the F8.  Not sure if this would actually be any better than the F8 we have?

 

Regards

Nexx

[HoHun]

Hi Fishu,

>Im still missing those two 1000kg bombs from Ju88

In the Ju 88A-1 and A-5, the port inboard bomb rack could take a single 1800 kg bomb, too.

In the Ju 88A-4, both inboard bomb racks were capable of carrying a 1800 kg bomb each.

(This is documented in the "Baade Report" on the Junkers company in WW2 which was prepared by the East Germans for the Soviets in 1946.)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)