Stupid Nik Tricks #1

[Buzzbait]

S!

I was flying Bish in the MA yesterday for only the second time since I came back.  I started off flying a Spit V and had fun as last ditch CAP at A19 as the Rooks were swarming it, then after it fell, switched to a 190D.

I was running interference on the stream of Rook aircraft crossing the gulf to the remaining Bish fields when I noticed the following:

Spotted a N1k2 at about 15k, a little above me me.  He wanted a HO, which I avoided by rolling, then he turned onto my tail and was there about 1.7 distance.  He then sprayed off a good deal of his ammo from that range up till about 2.5.  Obviously a newbie, but I wasn't going to fight him co-alt.  I spotted another contact ahead and about 5k below which I knew must be a Rook since the little red dot told me so.  (so easy in the MA compared with the CT   )

I dropped down 6k, to below the dot, accelerating to 450+ mph.  The N1k2 dived with me, but was rapidly falling behind.

The aircraft ahead unfortunately spotted me at the last moment, (was a Ki61) and pulled a hard turn to avoid me.   I kept going obviously because of the N1k2 behind which was still following.

I was continuing to outdistance the N1k2.   Distances were going 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, etc.  It was now level with me.  I figured I was doing at least 50mph faster.

At 3.8 distance I thought I'd try to sucker the N1k2 into following me in a high zoom, then when it stalled out, I'd hammerhead down on him and kill him.  The 190D9 has a better climb at 10k, historically had a better zoom, plus I had a lot more speed.

So I pulled up.  Gradually at first so the N1k2 would follow my arc and couldn't cut across the circle.  The N1k2 followed me almost exactly.

By the time I reached vertical, the distance is starting to narrow.

1.9, 1.8...  I'm still confident he will never be able to stay with me.

1.2, 1.1, 1.0...

I'm starting to slow down.

.9, .8, .7...

I roll a little left and right to avoid his gunfire.  I'm practically in a stall

.6, .5...

The N1k2 is still gaining.

With my speedo showing around 70mph airspeed, I desperately hammerhead and watch as the N1k2 gracefully zooms past, seeming to have lots of energy left.  It lazily flicks over after me and starts a pursuit.

Now luckily this guy was a lousy shot and despite spraying the air around me right out to 2.5 again, couldn't get a hit.

But does anyone think this is an accurate representation of an aircraft's flight model?

Where does the N1k2 get this zoom from?

Sorry I don't have a film of this.

[BenDover]

known bug,will be fixed in 1.08

[Urchin]

I'd love to see film of it, just to see if he cut across your "circle" zoom.  But yes, it generally isn't a good idea to try to rope-a-dope N1K2s that are going faster than 200 mph or so.  But then again, the chasing plane in any situation is going to close on a rope, it is just a matter of how close he comes.  

I think Pyro said they'll be looking at the E-retention of the N1K2 for next version, but I wouldn't get your hopes up.

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Urchin,

Did you read your signature recently?

[Urchin]

Yea, look up the kill stats- it is there for a reason  .

[Fishu]

I remember when I was long time ago flying N1K2, I couldn't spin it at all.

I took off from a field where was high N1K coming, I climbed and he attacked, I avoided, waiting him to slow down a bit and make mistake so I can gain a position behind him.
At one occasion I lost totally directional sense for few seconds (after blackout and pull up).
When I become aware of direction, I noticed I had gone nearly directly up for few seconds.
speed was about 50mph, but yet I was able to maneuver the plane and not even hear stall warnings.
There I got also behind the enemy plane and with slower speed I managed to follow him in his maneuvers and when he made a loop later, I was able to just float inside his loop and then pull the nose over as he was heading down from the loop and I got behind him, short after shooting him down.

After then I thought to myself that N1K2 must be have some anti-gravity technology since it can do such things.
I was just amazed.
(for such heavy plane as it is in comparison to Zeke, it still feels lighter than Zeke to fly)

[Tac]

damn and I thought I was the only one that was experiencing close encounters of the 3rd kind & waking up with no recollection (film) but with several 20mm anal probes firmly installed.

We need to form a support group! *urgh*

[Fatty]

If you pulled vertical with him still 2k behind you, that leaves a lot for him to cut in pursuit.

[stomper3]

I`ll Join whatever anit-NIKI association will be joined!!

I hate the damn thing, and think;

When HT has scratched his head as much as he apparently have to create this wonderful game, how come one A/C is so apparently overmodeled that it tops every one list of kill ratios?? I say perk the devilish thing like u did the C-Hog!!

gogogogo-perk-the-sunnofasqueak...


/Stomp out/

[wells]

It's like juggling...

You throw one ball up, when it's at the top of it's *zoom*, you throw the other ball up.  Does the second ball go any higher than the first one?  Not really, but it's going up when the first one is coming down.

[ 09-02-2001: Message edited by: wells ]

[juzz]

Look out, he's using physics to distract you! Don't fall for it!  

[Karnak]

Why don't you guys whine like this when Fw190s, P-51s, La-7s and Tiffies cut your coner and kill you?

Do you all just jump on the popular bandwhine and check your brain at the door?

There are serveral valid ways that the N1K2 could have done what it did, but all I see is a chorus of "Yeah, Nikis are UFOS!"

Once again the N1K2 has done the impossible and been unfilmable.

Why has there NEVER been a film of an N1K2 doing one of these manuvers?

I'll tell you why, because N1K2s aren't doing the UFO manuvers that people are claiming.

Basically there are a bunch of whiners looking for excuses when they get shot down by a popular plane.

[Fishu]

Karnak,

I never film because I either a) forget it b) be afraid that it'll degrade my performance :>

[steely07]

I have at least 5 films of this kind of thing,will go through films and email em to whoever wants em,my fav N1K move,not(don't fly it,have filmed this a lot) happens when you duck a HO,i was travelling at approx 350mph in spit9,level,N1K was co alt,heading towards me  at his best speed,(estimated at least 330,he shallow dived to et co-alt) we get to d600,i make SMOOTH swoop under him,level,have 340 on speedo,look out back window,N1K pulls a 180 turn to my 6,NP i think,he finishes turn at d800 and starts pulling distance in at a ridiculous rate,i have not deviated flightpath,still doing 330,N1K pulls up to 500 and blows me away,this can't be right......as u watch it u realise that there is no way a prop aircraft could turn this hard and accelerate so fast  .
Steely
Looking for film now,will look all day if i have to,<S> to all,karnak will mail u if you like...  
Steely out

[Fatty]

He dove down to you, but you estimated your speed higher than his?  I think that begins to explain a bit of the inexplicable.