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Offline Widewing

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« Reply #90 on: December 31, 2001, 09:58:00 AM »
Check out this monster Assualt Gun, which was under development during the last year of the war. The T-28 reportedly carried up to one foot of armor in the front glacis. It was armed with the new 105mm gun. Weighing in at 95 tons, the five prototypes were terribly undepowered, not able to reach 10 mph. Nonetheless, I can imagine the horror of a JagdTiger crew if they found this behemoth waddling towards them. Of course, they could simply jump out and escape on foot.    :) It was cancelled when the war ended. Must have been the American concept of the Maus.  :eek:  

     

See U.S. Heavy Tanks for additional photos.

Read more about it at:
T28 article

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« Reply #91 on: December 31, 2001, 12:05:00 PM »
There is a T28 down at Fort Knox, its a huge beast.  It is so heavy it has 2 treads per side.

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« Reply #92 on: December 31, 2001, 04:26:00 PM »
The Israelis never had any uparmored M4A3E8. In fact the vast majority of Israeli Shermans were M4A1 cast hull types. Many of course had HVSS, but HVSS does not mean solely M4A3E8. The M51 Isherman the one with the French 105mm gun were all cast hull HVSS types with no extra armor. For what its worth your friend is entirely mistaken in this area.

As for up armor kits the army did make a bunch of new glacis applique plates for M4A3 thype hulls but from what I know they were all one inch thick plates. The only curved side plates for the turret were again one inch thick plates to be mounted on the right side of some early Sherman 75mm gun turrets. This was needed to cover up a thin armor area because the cast armor was ground away from the inside to clear a new turret traverse gear. Later 75mm turrets incorporated thicker casting in this area and you can see a tiny overhang in the right front turret area.

The army also had a kit to improve armor on T23 style turrets. This consisted of a flat one inch thick plate assemmbly that was bolted/welded to the front quarters of the turrets. I have never seen or heard of any army kit to up armor the mantlet of a T23 turret.


But whatever our disagreements there certainly were official and unoffical attempts to uparmor the Sherman in late 1944 early 1945. The expedient Jumbos were a part of this. But of course they were exceeedingly rare and came in too late to have any real effect. The Sherman was still very much outclassed however by the Panther.
The Pershing largely closed the gap but even the US army considered it inferior to Panther, go figure. Thats from Hunnicuts Pershing book.


T28/T95 are pretty damn cool, the also had an "assault" tank named the Tortise, it mounted a 32lbr gun.
 
It really wasnt like mouse, mouse was inteded as a, gasp, combat tank whereas T28 and Tortise were fortress assault tanks.

Anyyway any of these huge supertanks were wasteful beyond belief and would have been killed by airstikes where possible.


BTW the Garmans drew up plans for a "tank" powered by four U-Boot engines that mounted  turrets from a Cruiser or Pocket Battleship.
 
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« Reply #93 on: February 19, 2003, 07:34:28 PM »
Rocket-tank.

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« Reply #94 on: February 20, 2003, 07:26:08 AM »
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Well, I have some very good info on the Jumbo Easy Eights.

 Too few, too late to matter much.

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« Reply #95 on: February 22, 2003, 05:04:59 AM »
Putting a Sherman in this game would be the equivalent of straping a gas can to your back and begging someone to shoot at you. T-34 and Tiger were the best tanks of WWII, IMHO.
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« Reply #96 on: February 22, 2003, 05:32:12 AM »
It's not just MA anymore, bloke. Like it or not, the Sherman was the big boy for the Western allies for a long time and it would be just the ticket to help the ground portion of both Classic events and TOD. The T-34 would do the same for Eastern front oriented scenarios and events.

MA has all it needs. Time to get serious about modeling what historically fought against each other for TOD and events. TYTYVM  ;)

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« Reply #97 on: February 22, 2003, 06:31:22 AM »
Arlo you are right. With the Sherman and the T34 AH's arena and scenarios would much better. We have so much hangar queens and so few tanks.

A better ground war would bring many more customers to HTC.
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« Reply #98 on: February 23, 2003, 12:12:34 AM »
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Soviet I would tend to agree, i just don't think HTC will agree, why esle would we get the M8 instead of the Puma?


Maybe because Puma was so rare?

I don't see much scenario value for Puma, I guess only few hundred were made. M8 is good choice. Maybe SPW 232 or PSW 234/1  would be good choices for germans.

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« Reply #99 on: February 23, 2003, 12:17:42 AM »
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Firefly would be superior to the MKIVH.  The 17lber on it is a better weapon with much more velocity and penetrative power.

Shermans did not fare well versus Panthers but it is important to remember that Panthers were not available in large numbers.


Panther was about as common as PzKpfw IV late in the war. (1944)

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« Reply #100 on: February 23, 2003, 04:02:50 AM »
True ... Panthers were indeed around in significant numbers by the time of Normandy.

 Still, the Western allies need something with more substance. And once again I point to the Sherman. It's better than anything in the current AH inventory as far as Western Allied armor is concerned. Jumbo and Firefly variants could be added as perkie rides.

 And for the Eastern front allies ... there's still nothing I can think of better than the T-34.

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« Reply #101 on: February 23, 2003, 01:51:19 PM »
i want a jeep.  With a 50 caliber in the back.  Maybe the top speed of 95 to 100 mph.  :)

Well hell just make one that says a stolen Cadillac with 50 calibers
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« Reply #102 on: February 25, 2003, 10:24:50 AM »
I've been pushing for a Sherman Calliope for awhile now.  Main gun with rockets would be a good equalizer to Tigers and Panzers.

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« Reply #103 on: February 28, 2003, 12:32:09 AM »
Reason 103 to add the Shermie, Baby. Woof.

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« Reply #104 on: April 17, 2003, 12:53:04 PM »
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