Squad Ranks (What does it mean)

[Yarbles]

Before I say anything I must confess I am the only person in my squad who apparently is interested in scores and ranks.

I have however encouraged my squad to look at their scores and try and improve them hopefully (which is contentious) raising skill levels in the process. My squad has always had the stated aim that everyone should be reasonably proficient at every aspect of the game and recently I have seen our overall scores improve significantly.

When i look at the squad ranks I cant see why we arnt much higher in the rankings. Can anyone explain how this works if at all? If its meaningless perhaps some meaningfull improvements could be made. Any suggestions.

Please only positive input and no score is meningless type posts without explaining why and suggesting improvements to the system.

[Guppy35]

I honestly don't know that it means anything.  Too many variables can come into play I think.  How many in the squad, how many hours played, what style your squad flies and what birds, what type of rank etc.

I looked just now for the first time in a while and the 80th is 2nd in fighters, and 42 overall.  Considering we're furballers at heart I guess it confirms that because of the fighter rank but I still don't think it means much.

I don't think it would be much of a stretch to say that there are folks in the game that could fly safe all time in birds that are tough to fight anyway, and they could top out at 1 in everything, if that's how they chose to fly.  Does that make them number 1?  Heck if I know.  Thankfully most of those guys don't fly that way.  There are squads that do fly that way that rank highly and it would be a stretch to say they are the best sticks in the game.   I also know there are lots of folks who wade in and fight regardless of the odds.  They die alot.  Does that make them lousy sticks?  Doubt it.

It's much easier for me to know on which days I suck worse then others.  I sure don't need rank to tell me

[Slash27]

I think if you get caught up in making it a point to improve the squads rank it stops being fun and begins to be more like work. I wouldn't want to log with only an hour to burn and have to work on my GV rank when I'd rather be in a fighter or vice versa.

[A8TOOL]

Whats wrong with a squad rank of 22?



First thing you need to do is get rid of Floatsup...he's weighing you dn.


2nd thing is have any one of your members hit any destroyable structure with a PT or SDK rocket.....anything


3rd

Help your squad members get at least one base capture in a c47 or GV. Every once in a while ask who needs one.


The forth thing I will suggest to you in a PM. HTC for some reason has hidden a gamey score feature in their scoring program that makes absolutely no sense at all but will lower you squad score. Just one guy in the squad needs to do it and it only needs to be done one time to give you that extra edge. It should put you in the teens.


And the fifth would be to make sure your guys know to be in attack mode whenever they are carrying ord .

Since base takes and jabo missions were a specialty of mine I made sure all my planes were set in attack mode taking them out only when I knew I was going hunting. Many times I forgot to switch into fighter mode but at least i was not running around with bombs in fighter mode either.

It makes it so much easier to track your progress when you allocate your planes properly.




Late War Tour 115 Vehicles and Boats Scores for
(+) Precision
   Score      Rank  
Kills per Death + 1    1.21    109
Kills per Sortie    0.62    142
Kills per Hour of Flight    4.90    191
Kills Hit Percentage    10.26    131
Kill Points    39776.04    36
Damage per Death    3187.74    38
Damage per Sortie    1633.58    44
Damage Hit Percentage    0.00    415
Damage Points    983417.91    11
Field Captures    6    51

[A8TOOL]

IMPORTANT TO READ THIS QUOTE BY SALVAN

Quote from: A8TOOL on October 08, 2008, 04:13:33 AM
By my forth month I had all the tricks in play and tried to apply them to a squad. I kept some notes and passed them on but in the end it made some people very miserable. Score has it's dangers and like the game itself, can also become addicting... so beware. If done right it can be very satisfying and takes very little fun from the game if any at all.

Quote from: 475FG Savlan on October 08, 2008, 04:17:07 PM


<S> Tool,

Speaking from personal experience as a squad CO of a group that has played together over ten years, I would contribute that in my honest opinion emphasizing anything at squad level that is score based is like introducing a cancer into your group,  opening the door for animosity & discourse to creep in.

Guys become competitive over kills, & accusations of kill stealing can rear their ugly head.  Flights lose cohesion as everyone gangs the first bandit they see because they are all hungry for a kill.  Fellows will alter their approach to their flights because they are more worried about their score than clearing a squaddie.  Or on the flip side, gents will squabble that their high score flight was messed up because they died trying to rescue a squadmate who didnt fly 'smartly'.

All those events are contrary to my goal of having a group of friends to bs with, fly together with and have fun doing it - the true meaning of being in a healthy, thriving online game group.

Checking score can be a great way to monitor personal progress ( i.e k/d ratio, gunnery percentage ) and HT provides us with all we need to do so in an extensive format, both web based & in game. If you try to change this to a group approach, then as you stated some will find it not their cup of tea, or they cant compete or 'hang' with other squad mates, and people start drifting into different directions.

Scoring is divisive to a group.
Score is the Yoko Ono of squads Smiley


475FG Savlan

[moot]

How much pwn you deal : how much pwn you receive.

[A8TOOL]

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[Yarbles]

IMPORTANT TO READ THIS QUOTE BY SALVAN







Quote from: 475FG Savlan on October 08, 2008, 04:17:07 PM


<S> Tool,

Speaking from personal experience as a squad CO of a group that has played together over ten years, I would contribute that in my honest opinion emphasizing anything at squad level that is score based is like introducing a cancer into your group,  opening the door for animosity & discourse to creep in.

Guys become competitive over kills, & accusations of kill stealing can rear their ugly head.  Flights lose cohesion as everyone gangs the first bandit they see because they are all hungry for a kill.  Fellows will alter their approach to their flights because they are more worried about their score than clearing a squaddie.  Or on the flip side, gents will squabble that their high score flight was messed up because they died trying to rescue a squadmate who didnt fly 'smartly'.

All those events are contrary to my goal of having a group of friends to bs with, fly together with and have fun doing it - the true meaning of being in a healthy, thriving online game group.

Checking score can be a great way to monitor personal progress ( i.e k/d ratio, gunnery percentage ) and HT provides us with all we need to do so in an extensive format, both web based & in game. If you try to change this to a group approach, then as you stated some will find it not their cup of tea, or they cant compete or 'hang' with other squad mates, and people start drifting into different directions.

Scoring is divisive to a group.
Score is the Yoko Ono of squads Smiley


475FG Savlan

I am keen to learn from others experiences though it also possible to do thing differently of course. I shall be wary of this team score concept going forward though

I would like people to monitor there own performance and get better in general becuase I think this keeps the game interesting but maybe thats not for everyone.

My basic question here is how is the squad score and rank in relation to other squads arrived at. Issues of meaning are more complex of course but I am very interested as to what light people can throw on this as well.

Its been in relation to score that I think we have stopped feeling we have to try and save a team mate if he dives recklessly blowing all his E into a great sea of red. For me I like to fly like staying alive matters, returning from missions landing kills. It gives the game more depth and meaning for me. Score often seems to support this which I personally like. Makes the game more real for me and less of an arcade experience where everything ultimately ends in death.

I like the idea that everyone achives a basic standard in each area at the end of the month. It means when we fight as a team we can all make a good contribution to achiving an objective. If someone isnt up to it they can easily be helped by the others. That for me would be a great team. I dont think the way the squad ranking works reflects this as we are converging in the individual score but I see squads with loads of people who have 2 and 3000+ ranked team members above us.

And Ok I am not crazy its just another aspect of the game I have got interested in    

[Lusche]

I think no one has found out yet how squad ranks do really work.

I would just ignore it.

[Yarbles]

I think no one has found out yet how squad ranks do really work.

I would just ignore it.

I dont want to

It should wrk like this.

Add all the combined individual overall ranks of the individuals and divide by the number of registered squad members. But and here is the clever bit divide by a minnimum of 12 so the small squads arnt included as that would be ridiculous. I think squadrons always had around at least 12 in them when they were close to full strength.

Perhaps HTC you would consider this as the current system seems to be meaningless. Mening less in that no one seems to be able to explain it.

[captain1ma]

You mean they have score in this game! 

[Nutzoid]

I don't want to

It should wrk like this.

Add all the combined individual overall ranks of the individuals and divide by the number of registered squad members. But and here is the clever bit divide by a minnimum of 12 so the small squads arnt included as that would be ridiculous. I think squadrons always had around at least 12 in them when they were close to full strength.

Perhaps HTC you would consider this as the current system seems to be meaningless. Mening less in that no one seems to be able to explain it.

Small squads aren't included?? Well that would skew the results, don't you think? If that were put into place, well wouldn't that then mean scouring system is defunct? What would you have for the smaller squads, a different system of ranking them, or just forget they even exist?

[CAP1]

Before I say anything I must confess I am the only person in my squad who apparently is interested in scores and ranks.

I have however encouraged my squad to look at their scores and try and improve them hopefully (which is contentious) raising skill levels in the process. My squad has always had the stated aim that everyone should be reasonably proficient at every aspect of the game and recently I have seen our overall scores improve significantly.

When i look at the squad ranks I cant see why we arnt much higher in the rankings. Can anyone explain how this works if at all? If its meaningless perhaps some meaningfull improvements could be made. Any suggestions.

Please only positive input and no score is meningless type posts without explaining why and suggesting improvements to the system.

in my opinion, squad rank, and/or score mean about as much as the runway behind you, and the air above you.
 they mean squat.

 just like individual scores, they can be manipulated, and the game is fairly easy to game, to improve your standings.


 just go up, kill some red guys, and have fun. ferget score.

[4deck]

Whats wrong with a squad rank of 22?



First thing you need to do is get rid of Floatsup...he's weighing you dn.

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[zack1234]

If there was score best looking pilot I would be the top scoring