Bring the F-104 to AH!

[funked]

 

Well the guy who designed it was alive during WW2.

And like all US fighters, it was based on the Fw 190.

The best part is that the Luftwaffles have no idea how to fly it!

It clearly belongs here!  Bring the F-104 to AH!!!

[juzz]

Get it right funked. F-104 was really based on the Fi 103 - it is after all a "missile with a man in it".

You're right about one thing though; even the RL Luftwaffe had no idea how to fly it - they crashed 270 of them.  

But in AH they can ask Andy Bush how to fly it, damn.  

Japanese markings?
 

[This message has been edited by juzz (edited 10-31-2000).]

[VISCONTI]

Yesss please!!!

The G version  

[Dinger]

Gotta be Italian markings.
It'd provide great high-alt cap for the 205s, plus in med scenarios it'd really solve the axis inability to compete with the allies above 25k.

[SnakeEyes]

Dammit Juzz... exactly what I was thinking.  

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[Andy Bush]

Here are two jets...an F-4C and a F-104G...this photo was taken near Luke AFB, Arizona.

 

The 104 was used to teach German pilots...and is the aircraft used in the film, The Right Stuff.

I have flown both of these actual aircraft.

Andy

[Pyro]

Didn't Hartmann fly 104's with the GAF after he finally got out of Soviet internment?



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[Animal]

The spooky thing is this post actually seems serious

[Animal]

by the way Andy,
how did that big ugly flying turd handle?

[LJK Raubvogel]

Pyro-I'm not sure if Hartmann flew the F-104, but I know he flew F-86 Sabres after he was released.He was in the post war Luftwaffe until 1967 or 68, so he very well might have flown the 104. Have a question for you WW2 buffs: Do you think it was right that the Allies turned him over to the Soviets after the war? No right or wrong answer, just wanted to see what others thought about it.

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[SnakeEyes]

Guess he shoulda been friends with Klaus Barbie, eh?  Kind of ironic...

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[Andy Bush]

Animal

The F-4?

Just fine.

Andy

[juzz]

 

Originally posted by Pyro:
Didn't Hartmann fly 104's with the GAF after he finally got out of Soviet internment?

Maybe, I found this tidbit:
 

225 Sabre Mk 6s were supplied to the West German Luftwaffe, and the type became the primary day fighter of the newly formed German air arm. They had been preceded in Luftwaffe service by Sabre Mk 5s, which had served primarily in training roles in anticipation of the arrival of the Mk 6s. The first operational unit was Jagdgeschwader 71 "Richthofen", initially commanded by Major Erich Hartmann, highest-scoring ace of all times (352 kills during World War 2). He accepted the first of the unit's Sabre Mk 6s on June 6, 1959. The Mk 6s also served with Jagdgeschwadern 72 and 73. The Luftwaffe Sabres usually operated in the air-to-air mode, although they were occasionally equipped with underwing air-to-ground ordinance. In service, many Luftwaffe Sabres were modified to become Sidewinder-capable. JG 71 converted to the F-104G Starfighter in 1964, and the other two wings converted to the Fiat G-91R in 1964/66 and became light attack units.

[SnakeEyes]

Well, Hartmann spent 10 1/2 years in captivity, so that would put him back in Germany by probably about 1958 at the latest... several years before conversion to Sabres.

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[funked]

Yeah Animal, don't talk about the F-4 like that!

Hartmann did fly 104's.  He got in a bit of trouble because he felt that the Luftwaffe was not ready for them, that they were having enough trouble flying the F-84's and F-86's that they already had.  He wanted something not quite as advanced as the 104.