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Offline Duckwing6

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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2000, 07:19:00 AM »
Hartmann wasCO of JG71 when they converted to the F104 according to biography..
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Offline Westy

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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2000, 08:18:00 AM »

  I have a book right here, just written by me yesterday, that has a scan which irefutably shows that F-104 was heavily influenced by the 1917 Albatros C.V/17

 

This occured after the designer saw the movie "The Blue Max" and said, "MAN!, If only we could put a GE afterburner on one of those babies!"

  -Westy

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Offline Pongo

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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2000, 08:25:00 AM »
Funked the germans were probably bigger operators of the 104 then the US. Back to trolling class with you...
I like the brits opinion of it. They sent over a test pilot and he thought it was crap. Course they still had Spit IXs so why wast your time with starfighters.
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Offline Vermillion

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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2000, 08:45:00 AM »
Ok, you can have your 104, but I have to have my SA-2 at the same time  

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Offline HABICHT

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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2000, 09:09:00 AM »
I WANT THE f104, but WITH MW50!!!!!

hartman was one of the few withing the german
airforce who was AGAINST the 104 in the LW.
he said, that the f100 would fit much better
in the new LW. it was a to big step from the f86 to the f104 for the LW. btw, no one of the 104 in hartmans JG was ever lost.
the politicans wanted to buy the f104.
was a 100% political decission.


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Offline Rickenbacker

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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2000, 09:49:00 AM »
 
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by the way Andy,
how did that big ugly flying turd handle?

Yes, and tell us how the planes flew too.

 

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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2000, 10:02:00 AM »
I can hear it now:  Damned M61 dweebs!
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LJK Raubvogel

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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2000, 10:13:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by Westy:

  I have a book right here, just written by me yesterday, that has a scan which irefutably shows that F-104 was heavily influenced by the 1917 Albatros C.V/17

   

This occured after the designer saw the movie "The Blue Max" and said, "MAN!, If only we could put a GE afterburner on one of those babies!"

  -Westy

;-)

Ummm...yeah, We got the joke the first 3 times.


btw, anyone have an opinion about my earlier post? What are folks' thoughts on the turning over of Hartmann after the war to the Soviets?


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Offline LuckyDay

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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2000, 12:05:00 PM »
Lucky me, I got to see the pilot of that NF-104 up close and personal at Edwards AFB a couple weeks ago...

 
Chuck Yeager and Joe Engle

They opened the show by breaking the sound barrier at 15,000 feet flying F15s in formation.  Here's a "photo"  
 http://www.houseblend.net/edwards/EdwardsFlyby.gif



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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2000, 02:10:00 PM »
Was Hartmann back in West Germany by 1957?

That was about the time Yeager was leaving to go back to the War College after nearly getting court marshalled.

Would of been ironic if they had both been in the same area at the same time, and not managed to get in a dogfight.

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Offline Toad

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« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2000, 04:18:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by HABICHT:
the politicans wanted to buy the f104.
was a 100% political decission.


IIRC, it was the finest kind of political decision.

Didn't Lockheed spend huge amounts of bribe money to get that contract?

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-P.J. O’Rourke  


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« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2000, 10:30:00 PM »
Yanno, the F-104 was the first, and still is the only super-sonic jet to be able to manuver in zero G, and manuver independently on each axis (like a helicopter) while doing so.

The Harrier comes close, but it can't move side to side  

So what if they mounted 250lbs thrusters on the nose. It still did it!  

Space Shuttle can, but only with it's reactor motors  




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Offline SnakeEyes

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« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2000, 10:45:00 PM »
Howabout the thrust vectored technology demonstrators (like the X-31)?

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  http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/movie/X-31/Medium/EM-0036-05.mpg http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/ movie/X-31/Medium/EM-0036-07.mpg

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« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2000, 10:55:00 PM »
wow... looks like a Niki.
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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2000, 11:41:00 PM »
Hi

Jigster that was at extremly high altitudes way over 100,000 feet, and would have no use in AH.


......Well wait a second now, just how hi are some of those HQ buffs nowadays?  

thanks GRUNHERZ
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