Bring the F-104 to AH!

[M.C.202]

Andy Bush said:
> MC202
> Hey...I liked the MWR troops! They were good people!

Thanks, I know we tried like hell to give the people a break from base life. We (and at the
remote site I was stuck at for my last year, I) did the most for junior enlisted and
officers alike. Both are young people, with few friends and a new life all at the same time.

I wanted to be a loadmaster, the A.F. wanted me to "volunteer" for crypto.. NO F WAY I was
going to live in a concrete bunker in Turkey, so I ended up as a 74150/51( I think that was
the AFC). He he, and an 89 day T.D.Y. with the  Security Police as an "augmentee". Got to make
a Major lie face down on a rain wet flightline at M-16 point...he was at fault, and I got an "attaboy" letter.
The S.P.'s must have realy needed help to try to get me to change AFSN's to join them :-)

> I did a review recently for SimHQ on a book, Skunk Works, by Jay Miller. He covers the
> entire F-104 development program and has some very neat info on the 'big wing'
> proposals. It would have been a real tiger!

I'll give them a read.

> Andy



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M.C.202
Dino in Reno

[funked]

Check this one out, pretty short takeoff run! http://www.airspacemag.com/ASM/Web/Site/QT/F104Launch.html

[tssfka]

Originally posted by Jigster:
Yanno, the F-104 was the first, and still is the only super-sonic jet to be able to manuver in zero G, and manuver independently on each axis (like a helicopter) while doing so.

The NF104 was not strictly a jet, it was a hybrid rocket and jet so I don't think your comparisons are too applicable.  While maneovering at high altitude the jet motor was not able to operate and flamed out...

tssfka
"Trust me, I may not always be wrong..."

[senna]

This is a good example of what could happen if an f-4 guy dogfights an f-104 guy and the f-4 guy frogets to drop his drop tanks.

-- senna

 

Originally posted by Andy Bush:
Here are two jets...an F-4C and a F-104G...this photo was taken near Luke AFB, Arizona.

   

The 104 was used to teach German pilots...and is the aircraft used in the film, The Right Stuff.

I have flown both of these actual aircraft.

Andy

[StSanta]

Hey, I think Denmark used to operate 104's.

Does that make us k00l?

Now, we continue the tradition of flying crap allied opportunistic allied iron.

I still say we should fly 190's.

 

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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
If I am understanding this correctly, he died while campaigning. Then afterwards, he won the election.

Voting for a dead guy.

This one goes to the book of "Stupid Laws Around The World".

That's beyond stupid. It's...BISHROOK!

Here, if ya die, yer outta politics. Yer party finds a replacement. And it ain't gonna be your wife, unless she's the best candidate.

Pretty easy solution. Sort of like "if you're dead, you ain't got a place as a forward in Barcelona. And if you held the place and died, your wife ain't getting it."

Hey, can I vote for Elvis? .

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StSanta
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[hblair]

Andy! You da Man!

I witnessed this F104 team at the smyrna airshow outside of Nashville a couple of months ago. These planes are privately owned! The starfighter makes a unique sound, especially traveling 600mph a couple hundred feet above ya.  

 

 
beatiful bird  


Their website: http://www.starfighters.net/

[Jigster]

Given the cost of jet fuel and the amount the F-104 is capable of burning...

most be some very very VERY rich guys  

- Jig

[Andy Bush]

Jigster

The single seater holds 6000# internal...so depending on the cost of jet fuel...probably somewhere around a thousand bucks a flight.

Andy

[Andy Bush]

hblair

Yes...it was the ultimate 'good deal'!

This was taken when I soloed out in 1976.

The civilian is one of our crew chiefs...unlike any other fighter unit in the AF at that time, we used contract Lockheed maintenance...and those guys were good!

 

The thingy attached to the side of the canopy is an air conditioning hose. We used these blowers in the summer at Luke (Phoenix, Az). They worked great and made the cockpit a whole bunch more comfortable. Our buddies down the flight line in F-4s had nothing like this. The units were portable...and so when we taxiied to the arming area, we could use our coolers there also...while we waited to arm up. It was fun to sit along side an F-4 with our coolers on full blast and watch the Rhino guys swelter.

And I know they did since I flew F-4s at Luke also.

Andy

[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by Andy Bush:
Jigster

The single seater holds 6000# internal...so depending on the cost of jet fuel...probably somewhere around a thousand bucks a flight.

Andy

Did you figure that for Military or Civil prices?  

[juzz]

 

Originally posted by Jigster:
Was Hartmann back in West Germany by 1957?

That was about the time Yeager was leaving to go back to the War College after nearly getting court marshalled.

Would of been ironic if they had both been in the same area at the same time, and not managed to get in a dogfight.

- Jig

This might interest you then...

 

 

This aircraft is painted as the Storch used by Field Marshal Erwin Rommel in North Africa. Built in 1940, it was exported to Sweden where it remained until 1948. The last German to fly it before its acquisition by the donors in 1973 was German WW II ace Erich Hartmann. The pilot on its final flight was Brig. Gen. "Chuck" Yeager, USAF, first man to exceed Mach 1 in the Bell X-1. It was donated by Lt. Col. Perry A. Schreffler, USAFR, and Maj. Robert C. Van Ausdell, USAFR, of Santa Paula, California and was delivered to the Museum in 1974.