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Need some HDD recommendations (NO WD RAPTORS!!!)
« on: August 18, 2009, 08:36:51 PM »
It has been a couple of years and I am trying to finish up my latest system this week if possible. So if anyone would like to recommend something other than WD RAPTORS I would appreciate it. With all the recent acquisitions of different companies....Seagate and Maxtor come to mind I am sort of at a loss. I know I only want SATA...do not want SSD drives yet.
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Re: Need some HDD recommendations (NO WD RAPTORS!!!)
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2009, 09:03:44 PM »
Ok...so what don't you like about the Raptors aside from the fact that they are a bit over priced?

What size drives are you looking to purchase? How many drives? What's your budget?

You absolutely do not want Samsung, Hitachi, IBM, Sansui, Panasonic...etc...if you don't like WD then your choice is Seagate/Maxtor (decent drives).
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Re: Need some HDD recommendations (NO WD RAPTORS!!!)
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2009, 09:11:48 PM »
Personally I've had very good luck with my WD sata drives, but I didn't buy raptors.


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Re: Need some HDD recommendations (NO WD RAPTORS!!!)
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2009, 09:34:09 PM »
Raptors have a higher than normal failure rate among hard drives.  IMO, SSD aren't quite there yet.  And to get a decent one you gotta shell out some cash.  Tomshardware.com has some hard drive benchmarks.  I'd favor drives with 5 year warranties over the 3 year types.

The philosophy I have behind hard drive is not "if it will fail," but more of "when will it fail."  Knock on wood, in the last 13 years, I've suffered one hard drive failure on my main computer.  And that was circa 1997.  I generally do not like to keep hard drives in service for more than 3 years.  At least on my main rig.  Frequent back ups multiple times a year on various types of media is always important.  Don't be one of those people that rely only on an external hard drive as a back-up means, its still a hard drive and it will eventually fail (either the drive fails).

Check reviews, benchmarks and prices.  You'll find the best one.  Personally, I've use Maxtor and now Seagate drive for 10 years.  After they've met their service life in my main computer, they either become hand me downs for friends/relatives or in server boxes.  I've got a 9 year old Maxtor 6.5gb in a linux box right now.
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Re: Need some HDD recommendations (NO WD RAPTORS!!!)
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2009, 10:22:55 PM »
Don't want a Raptor simply because of the price versus performance; it also isn't that I don't like WD drives because they have worked great for me and I have had some that lasted 10 plus years. I just want some good recommendations on reliable manufacturer these days because once IBM sold their drives out to whoever they did those drives went in the toilet fast than a load through a goose. I don't see a need for terrabytes of storage but for the price you can't simply go wrong with more storage.
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Re: Need some HDD recommendations (NO WD RAPTORS!!!)
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2009, 10:36:46 PM »
Any Western Digital AALS.  These are Enterprise drives. Very good timings, 32mb cache and 5 year warranty.  The WD6401AALS (640GB 610 formated NTFS) will run you about 75 dollars. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=AALS&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True&Order=PRICE

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Re: Need some HDD recommendations (NO WD RAPTORS!!!)
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2009, 06:49:50 AM »
If you go with a Seagate, I would suggest getting the "NS" drives.  As those are rated as server class drives they tend to be a bit better than the "AS" or "SV" drives.  They cost a bit more.
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Re: Need some HDD recommendations (NO WD RAPTORS!!!)
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2009, 07:04:49 AM »
I think this (ST31000340NS) is what you want but maybe you can shop around and find a better price:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148278
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Re: Need some HDD recommendations (NO WD RAPTORS!!!)
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2009, 09:14:30 AM »
I understand getting the AALS or the NS drives for the main HD for any system, but if someone is just looking for a 1 to 1.5 TB internal drive to store movies and such, is the extra $ worth it?  Of course I have a customer that sent me these 2 links as what he is looking at:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4853015&sku=TSD-1000EAVS

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4138742&sku=TSD-1500AS

Any pros/cons/recommendations?

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Re: Need some HDD recommendations (NO WD RAPTORS!!!)
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2009, 11:25:59 AM »
I understand getting the AALS or the NS drives for the main HD for any system, but if someone is just looking for a 1 to 1.5 TB internal drive to store movies and such, is the extra $ worth it?  Of course I have a customer that sent me these 2 links as what he is looking at:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4853015&sku=TSD-1000EAVS

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4138742&sku=TSD-1500AS

Any pros/cons/recommendations?
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Re: Need some HDD recommendations (NO WD RAPTORS!!!)
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2009, 06:18:25 PM »
You absolutely do not want Samsung, Hitachi, IBM, Sansui, Panasonic...etc...


if you don't like WD then your choice is Seagate/Maxtor (decent drives).

not to side track...........

but from my 20+ experiences with computers and HD's...... I have never in my HD experience had not one single Hitachi HD fail me whether it was an IDE or a newer SATA I or SATA II.....

while at the same time I have lost / or had failed me at least 1 HD of the following makes: Western Digital, Maxtor, Seagate some of them I have had fualter on me more than once......  I guess to each their own..........but any other left over or OEM HD's that are left in the current 6 PC's in this household will most definitely be replaced with a Hitachi guaranteed.....
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Re: Need some HDD recommendations (NO WD RAPTORS!!!)
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2009, 06:39:35 PM »
but from my 20+ experiences with computers and HD's...... I have never in my HD experience had not one single Hitachi HD fail me whether it was an IDE or a newer SATA I or SATA II.....
LOL...you want the box full of Hitachi "deathstars" that I have sitting in the basement of my office building (2.5 and 3.5 inch)? That's just the ones we haven't thrown out in the past 3 years...in that same time period my department has had to replace maybe 50 of the other brands combined...sorry man...but Hitachi drives haven't proven reliable squat in my experience. Most of those drives were out of IBMs and HPs...if that's an indication.

But then I just fried a 5 yr old Maxtor 80GB IDE in my linux box last month (24/7 in a poorly vented Gateway didn't make it happy)  ;)...replaced it with a 4 yr old Seagate. I still have 2 Seagate 80GB IDE drives that I know are at least 5 yrs old (because I was the one who ordered the original systems) in my wifes old system.

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Re: Need some HDD recommendations (NO WD RAPTORS!!!)
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2009, 07:21:37 PM »
could be that they were blems ( sometimes called 2nd's or didn't meet the topshelf quality inspection when coming off the assembly line ) to begin with if they came in prebuilt systems......

PC's that are in an office environemnt with 10+ people/cubicles  are more apt to have problems more often because of heavy traffic, dust/dirt in the carpet being stomped up..  the IT's not servicing/maintaining the PC's as they should be maintained........ and a numerous other handful of situations that arise..... people hitting the wrong keys on the keyboard.  installing things on the HD's that are not suppose to be there, etc....

not withstanding........ my oldest set of hitachi HD's paired are 120 gig IDE drives that have been running constantly in Raid 1 setup for almost 7 years practically non stop 24/7 outside of being shutdown for computer maintenance...quarterly (every 3 months  4 months max ) each computer is opened up, everything removed and completely gone thru cleaning out heatsinks, fans, and FOD that des not belong inside a computer case, including opening up the PSU and thoroughly cleaning it out as well ...then blowing highpressure air throughout the case to remove anything that is lodged in the crooks and crannys....

my 1st SATA I hitachi 120 gig HD's ( also in RAID 1 setup ) are nearing 6 years old and have not fluttered....no bad sectors or anything.....

I just figured that there are lemons in everything made...... I personally though have not had a lemon in any hitachi HD yet..... guess I been lucky so far ( finds some wood to knock on ROFL )
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Re: Need some HDD recommendations (NO WD RAPTORS!!!)
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2009, 07:59:20 PM »
When IBM sold it's very infamous hdd line to hitachi it was absolutely stomped by reliability problems. The 'deskstar' and 'travelstar' series were very accurately nicknamed 'deathstars' due to extremely high failure rates. I personally had both of my deathstars fail on me in 2 years usage.

Western Digital has never caused me problems and I use it exclusively now. I've had Samsungs, IBM's, Maxtors and Seagates die but never a WD.
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Re: Need some HDD recommendations (NO WD RAPTORS!!!)
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2009, 08:08:40 PM »
When IBM sold it's very infamous hdd line to hitachi it was absolutely stomped by reliability problems. The 'deskstar' and 'travelstar' series were very accurately nicknamed 'deathstars' due to extremely high failure rates. I personally had both of my deathstars fail on me in 2 years usage.

Western Digital has never caused me problems and I use it exclusively now. I've had Samsungs, IBM's, Maxtors and Seagates die but never a WD.
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