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Offline WGUtah

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Remove Perks from C-Hog
« on: August 21, 2009, 04:56:57 PM »
Please remove the perks from the only US plane with any real Cannon (the C-Hog).  The 190's, Hurrie-C, even spits have tons of cannon with no perks.

We really want to fly US aircraft but have to take German stuff to do any real damage!!!!!
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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2009, 04:57:53 PM »
nope, it would be the ONLY plane flown off a CV if it had no perk value.....
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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2009, 04:58:36 PM »
You must not have been around when it was un-perked were you?

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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2009, 05:01:34 PM »
We really want to fly US aircraft but have to take German stuff to do any real damage!!!!!

Now that's an amazing and quite rare opinion...

I mean 6-8 .50 cals do no real damage?  :lol
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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2009, 05:03:27 PM »
Now that's an amazing and quite rare opinion...

I mean 6-8 .50 cals do no real damage?  :lol
Four .50 cals can be written off as weak? Surely the OP jests.
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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2009, 05:03:35 PM »
It is true that it is hard to justify perking the C-Hog on the basis of its performance as a fighter alone. But it is the only 4-cannon bird that is CV capable. Also, it was a historically very, very rare version of the F4U that would be the majority of Hog sorties in the MA if unperked.

BTW, don't compare quad Hispanos to German rides. The MG 151 is considerably less lethal than the Hispano, 109s only mount one of them, 190 A5s have only two of them plus a very small amount of ammo for the inneffective MG/FFs, D9s only have two cannon. The A8 can carry quad 20MMs plus two machine guns, but guess what, that package *still* is not quite as lethal as four Hispanos. 30MMs are utterly lethal of course and also an utter nightmare for most of the player set to aim.
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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2009, 05:04:24 PM »
In real life a test was done with 4 Hispanos against six .50 caliber Brownings.

The cannons were around twice as powerful.


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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2009, 05:07:54 PM »
In real life a test was done with 4 Hispanos against six .50 caliber Brownings.

The cannons were around twice as powerful.



IIRC, U.S. Navy tests rated a Hispano cannon as being three times as lethal as a .50 cal MG, which is also what the lethality charts for AHII give.
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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2009, 05:12:00 PM »
In real life a test was done with 4 Hispanos against six .50 caliber Brownings.

The cannons were around twice as powerful.


Yet the six .50 caliber Brownings provide more lead on the target during a snapshot, thus negating the advantage. Besides, if the C-Hog were unperked, could we blame you every time we were picked by a cannon armed, highly maneuverable, and sturdy aircraft? It would be like Blame Karaya, all over again, but less in jest, rather, more in scorn.
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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2009, 05:15:01 PM »
Please remove the perks from the only US plane with any real Cannon (the C-Hog). 

My P38 has a cannon and it doesn't have any German markings on it.  :devil

Besides, the P39 has cannons too.
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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2009, 05:41:50 PM »
Its very lightly perked as it is. The perk cost shouldnt prevent anyone from flying it.

I know if unperked you'd see maybe 10 times as many as you do now.
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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2009, 05:50:27 PM »
I once asked for the four cannon version of the Sea Hurricain.

The reasons against were vast to my single reason for it. Two 500lb bombs and four 20mm cannon to take down towns and GV along with its legendary manuverability. Visualize a GV sitting 8000yds off shore out of the shore batteries gun arc. Puffy ack is knocking down half the defenders while the other half are dealing with a CV upping CONGA line hoards of 4-20mm HOing Hurri mowing them down while delivering 2 - 500lb to the town.

Now unperk the C-Hog. 3X the ammo load. 3X the ordenance load. Park the same CV in the same place.

Add to it all the sqweekers who will now discover enhanced picking, HOing then running in furballs. And all of the vets who just get tired of trying to play with some class versus wanting to land something for their $14.95 a month fun factor. You think a few 262 over furballs is disruptive of your fun factor? Put yourself in an MA large furball that has 20 players 7k to the deck swirling around. Now it's squad night for a 12 man squad and they up C-Hogs to bust the furball. Drop tank and 25% fuel because there is no loss of perks anymore. Unlike the tiffe, you can turn and burn a C-Hog with those flaps. 12 guys, especialy vets dropping into a low furball in a chog loaded out light. Ch200 will burn.
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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2009, 06:04:08 PM »
Yet the six .50 caliber Brownings provide more lead on the target during a snapshot, thus negating the advantage. Besides, if the C-Hog were unperked, could we blame you every time we were picked by a cannon armed, highly maneuverable, and sturdy aircraft? It would be like Blame Karaya, all over again, but less in jest, rather, more in scorn.

No. Quad Hispanos are far more lethal than 6, or even 8 .50s, and are negligibly more difficult to aim. This is not debatable.
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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2009, 06:16:09 PM »
Yet the six .50 caliber Brownings provide more lead on the target during a snapshot, thus negating the advantage. Besides, if the C-Hog were unperked, could we blame you every time we were picked by a cannon armed, highly maneuverable, and sturdy aircraft? It would be like Blame Karaya, all over again, but less in jest, rather, more in scorn.

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Re: Remove Perks from C-Hog
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2009, 06:17:36 PM »
who will now discover enhanced picking, HOing then running in furballs.

C-Hog is *not* a particularly good runner by LW standards.
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