Remove Perks from C-Hog

[BnZs]

I'm all in favor of unperking the C-Hog simply because the XVI is a good opponent for it.  During CV fights you see droves and droves of XVIs defending, so why not droves and droves of C-Hogs attacking?

These two aircraft are well matched.  In the name of consistency, it's better to unperk the C-Hog than to perk the XVI.

Anax, honestly, that idea is like having one flat tire on your bicycle and "solving" the problem by poking a hole in the other.

[moot]

Usage would probably rise just from hearsay that the -4 is the best of the lot.

[Anaxogoras]

Anax, honestly, that idea is like having one flat tire on your bicycle and "solving" the problem by poking a hole in the other.

It's what the players want.  I'm just insisting on consistency.

[Kurtank]

Allow me to make is clear just HOW effective the C-Hog is for those that don't quite get it.

Take an FM-2.
Slide an R-2800 into the nose.
Give it a half-bubble canopy.
Replace the 50's with 20mm Hispanos.

You have an F4U-1C with the flaps down. Now, do YOU want to see hordes of 350MPH+, cannon-armed FM-2's running around?

I didn't think so.

[Stoney]

Oh come on Stoney!!! You don't think the average player could find use for an airplane that goes 375 on the deck and can out-turn a Spit??????

No, other than running with it.  The F4U-4 in the hands of your average 6-month old player is basically a Pony.  Like Moot says, many would up it at least once just to see what's it all about, but eventually, they would run back to their Hurri's, Typhoons, N1K2s, Spits, etc.  Many of us posting in this forum can get silly kills with it, but your average MA player won't.  The F4U-1C on the other hand--without a perk, they'll fly that thing so much that it will darken the skies like locusts.  For average MA warriors, killer snapshot firepower is more desirable than awesome overall performance.  How many other perk planes we have with 6 X .50s?

Just my opinion bro--I could be wrong.

[Anaxogoras]

Allow me to make is clear just HOW effective the C-Hog is for those that don't quite get it.

Take an FM-2.
Slide an R-2800 into the nose.
Give it a half-bubble canopy.
Replace the 50's with 20mm Hispanos.

You have an F4U-1C with the flaps down. Now, do YOU want to see hordes of 350MPH+, cannon-armed FM-2's running around?

I didn't think so.

Funny.  I'd say it's about as effective as an F4U-1D but with quad hispanos in place of the 6 M2s.

And for those who refuse to believe that the XVI is a good match for the C-Hog:




XVI also rolls better until you're way past 300mph ias, and has a turn rate advantage that is balanced out by the C-Hog's smaller radius.  The best thing for the C-Hog to do is to keep the fight on the deck or in that narrow band between 12-17k ft.

[Kurtank]

Don't forget that the C-hog has a much larger ammo capacity than the spit, also better stall characteristics (and IIRC, a lower stall speed).

[Delirium]

Don't forget that the C-hog has a much larger ammo capacity than the spit, also better stall characteristics (and IIRC, a lower stall speed).

I'm looking forward to that changing, the Hog we have handles a lot better than the real thing, many of the experts that crunch numbers and work on actual Corsairs have agreed on that point.

[Guppy35]

Just remember this isn't about asking for a Corsair as we have those.  The best of the Corsair drivers fly the 1A and 1D just fine and kill without a problem

This is just a veiled way to ask for a 4 cannon bird with more performance.

[Anaxogoras]

Just remember this isn't about asking for a Corsair as we have those.  The best of the Corsair drivers fly the 1A and 1D just fine and kill without a problem

This is just a veiled way to ask for a 4 cannon bird with more performance.

If they unperked the C-Hog, I wouldn't fly it more than I do now, which is once in a blue moon when I feel like strafing PT boats.  I'll always prefer the 1A because it's a bit faster and more nimble.

[moot]

By how much? How much of it is due to the 20mm ammo?  I rarely ride the horde, so I'd take this chog for free pretty much everytime.  I'm used to short range cannons, and the amount of ammo is pretty much enough on its own to decide it for me.  You can do way more killing, no matter how much easier or harder per kill, with that much ammo VS the amount of 50 cal. 

Then you have the rest of the picture... The F4U is rugged, can turn with almost anything, has excellent control authority, dives well....  I think players would acclimatize to it enough, while following the 4x20mm carrot, to put the Chog usage near or at the rest of the F4Us.

[Bronk]

Now, do YOU want to see hordes of 350MPH+, cannon-armed FM-2's running around?

I'll take one please.

[Guppy35]

By how much? How much of it is due to the 20mm ammo?  I rarely ride the horde, so I'd take this chog for free pretty much everytime.  I'm used to short range cannons, and the amount of ammo is pretty much enough on its own to decide it for me.  You can do way more killing, no matter how much easier or harder per kill, with that much ammo VS the amount of 50 cal. 

Then you have the rest of the picture... The F4U is rugged, can turn with almost anything, has excellent control authority, dives well....  I think players would acclimatize to it enough, while following the 4x20mm carrot, to put the Chog usage near or at the rest of the F4Us.

I think it would be safe to say that it would surpass any of the other F4Us as the performance difference to a neophyte isn't going to be noticable, but the hitting power of 4 20mms is.  Only the die hard, history nuts, or guys who prefer a particular skin on their F4U would not fly it.

Get HTC to introduce a Hurri IIB with the 303s.  How many guys would give up a IIc for that?  Only the guys who get a kick out of doing more with less and that's not many

[Letalis]

The whole point of ENY is to maintain game balance. Weren't there only 200 C-Hogs built? The current system works just right in respect to the F4U family IMO.

[james]

Unperk it all my p51 isn't on a diet.