Yes, ENY again...

[moot]

I think the funniest thing is that this is a historically accurate (or pretty close to it) WWII Air and Ground Combat multiplayer online game, right???  Well, as far as I know, and I have a vast knowledge of everything WWII, is that there was no ENY in WWII.  I think that the only perked rides should be the ME-262 and 163.  I understand the whole some are better than others and yada yada yada, but it is a little ridiculous.

What Lusche said.

[Bronk]

I think the funniest thing is that this is a historically accurate (or pretty close to it) WWII Air and Ground Combat multiplayer online game, right???  Well, as far as I know, and I have a vast knowledge of everything WWII, is that there was no ENY in WWII.  I think that the only perked rides should be the ME-262 and 163.  I understand the whole some are better than others and yada yada yada, but it is a little ridiculous.

Great.. the next time you are shot down, cancel your account. There were no do overs in WWII.

 

[The Fugitive]

But the point of ENY is to level the playing field because the players will not.  .

.....but NOT BY FORCING ANYONE TO SWITCH SIDES!

ENY hinders the team with the greater numbers by forcing them to do the same "job" with inferior equipment. A side benefit is the option to switch sides for those that MUST have their hotrods with also helps to even up the fight.

The idea here is that if sides are even you get a spit 16 vs a spit 16, but if one team has bigger number instead of getting 3 spit 16s vs 1 spit 16 you get 3 P40s vs 1 spit 16, which should still make a pretty even fight, unless the P40 drivers know that ride.

[Crash Orange]

Obviously it works well. Otherwise folks who just will not change sides would not complain about it.

So you're saying the object of ENY is just to annoy players?

If it worked well, people would switch sides. They are not, therefore it is not working well.

The idea here is that if sides are even you get a spit 16 vs a spit 16, but if one team has bigger number instead of getting 3 spit 16s vs 1 spit 16 you get 3 P40s vs 1 spit 16, which should still make a pretty even fight, unless the P40 drivers know that ride.

Except you're just as likely to get two Spit16s against one P-40, because the numbers advantage at any point in time has much more to do with the distribution of the various countries' pilots between their two fronts and between the two LW arenas than with how many people are actually online.

As it stands now, ENY just does not do what it is supposed to do.

I like the idea of arena caps being based on country. (Of course you'd have to exit the arena to switch sides.) That would do much more to address the situation where most of one country's players decide to leave one LW arena and pile on the other. It would end the situation where you have a 28 ENY in Blue but can't get into Orange to save your life even though your side is outnumbered 2-1 there.

ENY + arena caps as they stand = totally dysfunctional mechanism working at cross purposes with itself. It does nothing but annoy people.

[mensa180]

If ENY makes someone log off, ENY worked.

[Lusche]

So you're saying the object of ENY is just to annoy players?

No it's not.

As it stands now, ENY just does not do what it is supposed to do.

Yes, it does.

There is a big misconception what ENY is supposed to do, and what not. It's not supposed to even the numbers. Nobody ever expected all players happily switching around until all sides are even. In that regard ENY is just an incentive. Nothing more, nothing less.

ENY is a gameplay balancing tool. It's a handicap one side is getting when the numbers are getting uneven. That's all. And it works.


You can have one out of two: Huge numerical advantage OR "superior" planes. It's your choice. If you can't play without both... it's your problem.

Loyalty isn't easy all the time. In game as well as in real life.

[moot]

Loyalty's a piece of cake if you made the right choices.

[noman]

Just a question but do ppl get frustrated with eny because they can't up the 5 eny planes or because they gettin ganged by another team. I very rarely gripe about eny and usually only because i cant get my sherman and have to use a panzer. Plane wise dont matter we got what at least 40 rides to pick from if u only happy flying 1 learn a new ride.

[Crash Orange]

Just a question but do ppl get frustrated with eny because they can't up the 5 eny planes or because they gettin ganged by another team. I very rarely gripe about eny and usually only because i cant get my sherman and have to use a panzer. Plane wise dont matter we got what at least 40 rides to pick from if u only happy flying 1 learn a new ride.

There's a big difference between an ENY of 5 and an ENY of 28. How many people were still flying P-40Bs or Spit Is in combat in 1944, anyway?

[SlapShot]

How many people were still flying P-40Bs or Spit Is in combat in 1944, anyway?

863

[Lusche]

There's a big difference between an ENY of 5 and an ENY of 28. How many people were still flying P-40Bs or Spit Is in combat in 1944, anyway?

ahh.. nice exaggeration again by mentioning ENY 40 planes, when much superior ENY 30 planes like 109F-4 & G-G & G-6, P38G or 190A-8 are still available.

Also again it's being ignored what is causing a ENY of 28, and how frequent it is...

[Crash Orange]

ahh.. nice exaggeration again by mentioning ENY 40 planes, when much superior ENY 30 planes like 109F-4 & G-G & G-6, P38G or 190A-8 are still available.

As opposed to saying all complaints about ENY are because people can't fly 5 ENY planes... which I've never heard anyone complain about.

I take that back - I've seen a number of people complaining that they couldn't take perked planes when ENY > 5, as if letting them take perked planes would somehow be fairer. We can't have anyone on the larger side flying Spit IXs or F4U-1s, but 262s and F4U-4s are fine and dandy?

(And I addressed the way ENY is slanted toward German planes and the 109 in particular elsethread. The notion that the Spit V or FM-2 is an unfair match against the 109G-6 seems a bit off to me.)

Also again it's being ignored what is causing a ENY of 28, and how frequent it is...

What causes an ENY of 28, then? I hope you aren't going to try to claim it's people logging on and choosing to switch to the country with the highest numbers so they can fly with a "horde".

[Lusche]

What causes an ENY of 28, then?

Huge numerical imbalance that's causing a gameplay issue. ENY is required to even the playing field.

[Vinkman]

I've read a lot of this thread, but not all, so I appologies in advance if this was answered already.

 I understand the point of ENY to help even things up. But I find that while arena's may be out of balance as a whole, that has very little to do with the local story at the bases where the fight's are going on. Knight are defending against an attack by 15 rooks. There are 5 or 6 of us trying to defend the base, and the ENY for Knights goes to 25. So I have my P-40 or P39-D up and I'm out numbered 3:1 against Spit 1, Ponies, and Typhoons. I guess it means somewhere the Knights must be winniing.

But I'm wondering about the dynamics of wanting the Knights to switch sides to even things out. The Arenas are big, and I find quite often the action gets concentrated in a few areas or bases. Everyone wants to be where the action is, or where plane density is high.  If bases get taken and one team get's compressed into a smaller area, that would seems to shrink the "front" and create higher 'plane density' and up the action, and reduce the fly-times, search-times for bandits. Especially for the team who has lost the fields. With higher density for the losing (area) team, shouldn't the tide of the battle correct itself?

Of course I've only been at this for 4 months now, so what happened in the above scenario before ENY? Did the tide of battle NOT correct itself?

In short...what problems were ENY put in to correct, and is it working?

Thanks.

[Shuffler]

So you're saying the object of ENY is just to annoy players?

If it worked well, people would switch sides. They are not, therefore it is not working well.

It only annoys those who do not wish to have even teams.

Many folks do switch sides..... so it works. If you don't switch... your part of the problem.