*Attention* B-25H Skinners!

[Megalodon]

The simplest & best way to find this out to me is in the photo of Dutch.

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Now based off the info the nephew collected about his uncle he has done his home work but has hit a brick wall.

http://home.mchsi.com/~anderson.kevin/roy_powerhouse.html http://forum.armyairforces.com/Update-on-the-B25-Powerhouse-m104947.aspx

I think based off what I can ascertain from his web page the pictures of Powerhouse came from his cousins. So the original photo of Dutch above is from a fellow crew member Donald C Robertson who left them to his son. I have tried to blow this picture up larger & it is just to messy to get a read of the tail number in the back ground.

So you need to try & get the original photo or even better the negative & see if you can get a clearer photo of the plane in the back ground & I think Mr Robertson JR has the answer to finding the tail # to Powerhouse.
How do I come to this conclusion? Well here we go.

(PLEASE NOTE I AM NOT A PHOTO SHOP KIND OF GUY SO YOU MAY HAVE TO SAVE THESE PHOTOS & PLAY WITH THEM TO SEE WHAT I AM SEEING)

If you note in this first picture in the back ground you can see a small tent & you can see the canvas & tent polls as well as the rope coming off the poles most likely pegged in to the ground.

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Now in this photo note the forked tree & what looks like materials of some kind tool boxes maybe? & possibly a kneeling mechanic as well as one sitting besides him under the aircraft near the rear ladder of the plane. Now take a look at the right lower engine cowling it is not there & also there seems to be an access panel removed to the engine nacelle. Clearly this aircraft is being worked on.

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OK now lets look at one of the close up pictures of Dutch.

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Now if you look to the left you can see the same forked tree with the tail of a B25 in the back ground. Shame the fellow in the white hat with the cigar is not a foot or so to the right as he is hiding your tail number. Now look at this picture of the lower right side of the above photo looking over the top of the right wheel of the plane.

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In my opinion that is the canvas of the tent as well as its tent pole & supporting equipment from the first photo.
So if I am correct these two photos were taken at about the same time but from two differant positions by the same photographer on the same day. The fact that the same tree and two B25's & a tent as well as two of the same people in the same clothes all in two differant photos is just to coincidental.

Now there is a third picture of Dutch. Not a lot to go on other than similar trees in the back ground same man in all four pictures & the sun is out. Where in the other three it must have been overcast at the time as there is not much in the way of shadows.

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OK so now lets get to Powerhouse & how I think this all ties in.


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As you can see the trees in the back ground look some what the same also there appears to be tool boxes & equipment under the plane again clearly some one is working on this plane as in the first photo of Dutch. Now in the first photo you can see the canvas tarps are on the top turret as well as the cockpit area of the plane. Not much point in them being there if you want a picture of some one sitting in the cockpit with it's cool nose art right?
Now to me this is the clincher on the ground notice the square shaped material with a round like curve to it.

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I think that is the access panel to the right engine nacelle of the plane in the back ground of Dutch in the first photo.


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So in conclusion I believe all these photos were taken at the same time by the same photographer & if that little bit of skin is the access panel it is just to much evidence to be coincidental & therefore I think you have a picture complete of Powerhouse. All you need is a better photo to get that tail #.

Let the debate begin.

 I did the same thing  trying to zoom sharpen sharpen sharpen the tail on the background plane last night. I think I can make out the last 4 numbers 2549. I think you are correct in you deductions and the times the pictures were taken. 2549 does not match up on the list of planes  the fellow lists though.

Ok...I was just looking at this photo in PSP...it almost looks like a tail number of 5544, or 2544 (those are only the last four digits of it, and a bit of a guess).

and a good guess I think, very similar to what I got.

[Yossarian]

From his website, maybe 545 then?  That's the closest to both of our guesses.

Also, a few things about these pictures of 'Dutch' and 'Powerhouse':
http://home.mchsi.com/~anderson.kevin/pics/roy3.jpg
http://home.mchsi.com/~anderson.kevin/pics/dutch_roy1.jpg

Does anyone else think the gun barrels in the picture of 'Powerhouse' look a little strange?  Also, the landing gear doors appear to be completely different sizes.  Both images seem to be taken from a similar perspective, and even though the 'Powerhouse' one is rather washed out I still think the doors are different.  This is also shown by this picture of 'Dutch':
http://home.mchsi.com/~anderson.kevin/pics/dutch_roy2.jpg
Does anyone know why this is?

[lyric1]

Sent this link off to Mr Anderson who in turn forwarded it on to Mr Robertson Jr & he will go back through the photos to see what they may or may not have. We should hear something back in a week or two.

Another pic of Dutch I got off the web Via Mr Andersons web site.

[lyric1]

From his website, maybe 545 then? That's the closest to both of our guesses.

Also, a few things about these pictures of 'Dutch' and 'Powerhouse':
http://home.mchsi.com/~anderson.kevin/pics/roy3.jpg
http://home.mchsi.com/~anderson.kevin/pics/dutch_roy1.jpg

Does anyone else think the gun barrels in the picture of 'Powerhouse' look a little strange? Also, the landing gear doors appear to be completely different sizes. Both images seem to be taken from a similar perspective, and even though the 'Powerhouse' one is rather washed out I still think the doors are different. This is also shown by this picture of 'Dutch':
http://home.mchsi.com/~anderson.kevin/pics/dutch_roy2.jpg
Does anyone know why this is?

The first number of the plane in the back ground(if formatted the same as Dutch)could only be a three or a four as that is the only years B25H's were made to the best of my knowledge. I would say it is a three seeing it is a sister ship to Dutch.

The strange guns on Powerhouse are sleeves to keep dirt out. If your talking about the nose door hatch? I think your right it looks differant smaller? I think that may be due to the fact the photographer is standing on something to get him self level with the pilot so it looks smaller from that angle? Or he grew a couple of feet . Now in the last picture of Dutch I don't see a wheel well door at all maybe off for repairs? Don't know.

[lyric1]

Also, the landing gear doors appear to be completely different sizes. Both images seem to be taken from a similar perspective, and even though the 'Powerhouse' one is rather washed out I still think the doors are different. This is also shown by this picture of 'Dutch':
http://home.mchsi.com/~anderson.kevin/pics/dutch_roy2.jpg
Does anyone know why this is?

This answers your question we are looking at two differant things one is the nose door fully open as in this picture
note the bubble for the tire to rest in when the door is closed. This is what we are seeing on Powerhouse.

Now the door is closed but as you can see the wheel is down & there is a small vertical skirt of metal near the landing gear. That is what we are seeing on Dutch.



I guess they close the door after landing to keep animals out. This is the same aircraft in both pictures as well so that is not an issue.

[lyric1]

I was sent an email from Mr Anderson I cut & pasted it below.



Please reply with an email address that I can send two attachments to you, one 620 kbytes in size, and the other 208 kbytes.  What I did was find the photograph that Don Robertson, Jr., had first sent me, which is an actual older 3x5 photograph (and not a "modern" print made by digital reproduction like at the corner drugstore), and rescanned just the area of the tail of the other plane at 1200 dpi.  The two files I want to send you are BMP images, one in "true color" (although the original print is B&W) and the other is grayscale.  Maybe you or your modeler friends can do something with Photoshop or another program to enhance one of these while we are waiting to hear more from Don Robertson, Jr.  The middle digit, a 5, is clearly evident, but hard to tell the others without enhancement, which I'm not set to do.

Kevin Anderson


OK here are the two pictures.

Grey.


True.


With what little ability I have to enhance these pictures I feel confident of the first three digits.

Spotlight.


All I did on the next two was play with lighting and shadow plus zooming in & out to find the best look & then I added the numbers over the top of the plane Numbers until I found the best match. Then I just slid them down under the original numbers & saved them at that position. The spacing of the numbers is not quite the same because I think the rudder is kicked to one side a little to the vertical fin.

True.



Grey.


Any way that is what I have come up with so far the last digit looks like a 3 but I would not bet any money on it.
Well the rest of you take a stab at it see what you get.

[lyric1]

I got an email from Mr Anderson & there is no other pictures that will help. So I think I will put this link in the Aircraft & vehicles next week when I get back to see if some one else may have some ideas as to what the tail # is.

I would like to see Mr Anderson find the answer to his quest more so than getting this skin in to the game so if any one has any other ideas as to how resolve this aircraft puzzle post it as any help would be great.

[Serenity]

I got an email from Mr Anderson & there is no other pictures that will help. So I think I will put this link in the Aircraft & vehicles next week when I get back to see if some one else may have some ideas as to what the tail # is.

I would like to see Mr Anderson find the answer to his quest more so than getting this skin in to the game so if any one has any other ideas as to how resolve this aircraft puzzle post it as any help would be great.

Just a thought: We have three digits of a tail number, and I believe, a squadron we know. Therefore, can we find a list of the serial #s of B-25Hs produced, and see if we can track which numbers went to which squadron, and work at it from that direction? I don't know what resources are available for B-25s, but I know I have tracked B-17s in a similar fashion.

[kilo2]

could it be a 00 at the end

[lyric1]

Actually we can narrow it down to a handful of aircraft Mr Anderson has done a lot of research & at the beginning of this post is the link explaining why he is looking for answers on this aircraft & has some excellent info on the B25H in general.

You will need to read through all of this thread & its links to understand where it is at & how it has got to this point.

http://home.mchsi.com/~anderson.kevin/roy_powerhouse.html

[jolly22]

I might be able to help you if you have a serial number

[lyric1]

I might be able to help you if you have a serial number

Serial number other than the tail number?

[jolly22]

Serial number other than the tail number?

Yes, like a manufactoring serial number.

[lyric1]

Yes, like a manufactoring serial number.

I may be wrong but I think the tail number is the serial number for the plane. Now individual parts would have a serial number identification plate or engraving of some type on them but I am not sure such a thing would exist for the plane as a whole?

Maybe some one else could help on that point.

[oakranger]

Hey, try to look for pic of a B-25C nickname "patches" with the 321st BG.