What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?

[CAP1]

a buddy of mine races his viper at pocono. he runs it there when the viper club goes.....and he knows some porsche owners, so he takes it there when the local porsche club rents it.

 the only thing to touch him is other vipers.

 he does nothing to it, except to drive it there, register it, and race it.

one of the porsche dudes, brings his 911 here, and has me swap his racing brakes, and racing tires onto it. then he goes up there, and gets beaten by vipers that race in the same form they're driven on the street.



me.....i'll never own one of these, as when i DO get to the point that i could afford one should i want it, i'll more than likely by myself an airplane.  

[BigPlay]

dude!!

the corvette's been running road courses since 1956!! c'mon dude.....it's the reason ford jumped onboard with shelby for the cobra......they needed/wanted something to compete with the vette, seeing as the thunderbird couldn't.

Cap were talking Lemans not stupid road course racing, few european manufactures are interested in that level of racing.

[BigPlay]

a buddy of mine races his viper at pocono. he runs it there when the viper club goes.....and he knows some porsche owners, so he takes it there when the local porsche club rents it.

 the only thing to touch him is other vipers.

 he does nothing to it, except to drive it there, register it, and race it.

one of the porsche dudes, brings his 911 here, and has me swap his racing brakes, and racing tires onto it. then he goes up there, and gets beaten by vipers that race in the same form they're driven on the street.



me.....i'll never own one of these, as when i DO get to the point that i could afford one should i want it, i'll more than likely by myself an airplane.  

Dont think Porsche is too worried if you will or will not be a customer. Look how much horsepower the viper has compared to the 911 , V-10 vs 6 cyl. Lets compare a US 6 cyl powered car to the 911.

[Die Hard]

I'm still trying to figure out why the race was between the turbo and a Z06 instead of a turbo vs a ZR1....

Oh yeh... I forgot... when you want to have something end a certain way (Porsche win), you stack the odds in their favor (run a $130K turbo against the $70K Vette you know you'll barely beat, instead of againt the $107K ZR1 that will murder the Porsche) and then act surprised.

 

Check the time stamp on that clip. ZR1 didn't exist at the time. Of course... Don't let that get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.

[CAP1]

actually read consumer product reports and most car mags they don't exactly agree with you. I also have had many US made trucks and I have never owned one past 200k. They started becomming maintance hogs after that. US cars have come along way since the 70's which were an all time low for US autos but no amount of convincing on your part will change my mind on that. I warned my daughter not to buy american and she was very sorry she did . She finally bought Japanese .

i forgot to mention my taurus with 135k on it.


all of those "reports" can be "steered" to say what the publisher wants them to say.



you and i could both go to the same mall, and ask the same question.....which is better,  corvette, or porsche?
 simply by "picking" who we each choose to ask, we can "make" the results look the way we each want them to look.


these consumer reports do the same thing.

 don't forget....i fix em too. i work on more imports than anything.

 as much as i like honda, i've had 3 of em in here with pretty hefty probelms in the last month......kinda weird really.

 i don't see any relaibility problems with american cars. i don't hear customers anymore saying "i shoulda bought a honda", although i have a customer that bought his wife a 740il, telling me he wishes he'd have bought another grand cherokee.  

and don't forget......my opinions are formed on almost 30 years of working on these heaps. 

[CAP1]

Cap were talking Lemans not stupid road course racing, few european manufactures are interested in that level of racing.

and yet the road courses are over-populate dwith them. 

[CAP1]

Dont think Porsche is too worried if you will or will not be a customer. Look how much horsepower the viper has compared to the 911 , V-10 vs 6 cyl. Lets compare a US 6 cyl powered car to the 911.

think that'll go to the camaro.

besides....when you make power with little engines, you eff up reliability.

[Bronk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyQYoxEv-0Y

LMAO  a decent supercharger kit and the zo6 vette will stomp it. The rest of the price diff will pay for maintenance cost, insurance cost, and fuel for the life of the car. 

[Reaper90]

Check the time stamp on that clip. ZR1 didn't exist at the time. Of course... Don't let that get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.

OK, so half of my "conspiracy theory" is not plausible, but that still doesn't explain why the $70K Vette is being compared against the $130K Porsche and not the $70K Porsche. But it's a European car show doing the test, and they just hate the thought of an American :gasp: car beating up on their precious icons....

[Reaper90]

Cap were talking Lemans not stupid road course racing, few european manufactures are interested in that level of racing.

Did you just seriously say that???

<--- beginning to wonder if someone has been drinking early on Friday....

[REVRAND]

Don't think Porsche is too worried if you will or will not be a customer. Look how much horsepower the viper has compared to the 911 , V-10 vs 6 cyl. Lets compare a US 6 cyl powered car to the 911.

Food for Thought:
The European roads are like night and day compared to U.S. roads. Living in Germany for five years and driving not just the autoban but Southern France, Spain, Switzerland, etc. The Viper first and foremost would be idle at gas station after gas station in many European countries while in the mean time the Porsche would be damn near to Russia  . Another problem the Viper would have is just staying on the roads. Being that it is wider than most and tractions due to over abundance of Hp at the rear wheels driving the Viper on a daily basis would be much more of a job than a dream. European cars are engineered to handle the European roads, which can be plopped down in the U.S. and have relatively no problems acclimating. Unfortunately the same is not said about taking Vipers, Shelby'z, etc. to European Countries.
I am sure the muscle car diehards will probably put a price on my head, but having a 5.0 in Germany in the late '80s proved that trading in that Mustang for a Porsche was a smart move..

[Die Hard]

OK, so half of my "conspiracy theory" is not plausible, but that still doesn't explain why the $70K Vette is being compared against the $130K Porsche and not the $70K Porsche. But it's a European car show doing the test, and they just hate the thought of an American :gasp: car beating up on their precious icons....

It's a Japanese car show and both the German and American cars beat their own Evo and Acura. Will you please get something right.

[Masherbrum]

actually read consumer product reports and most car mags they don't exactly agree with you. I also have had many US made trucks and I have never owned one past 200k. They started becomming maintance hogs after that. US cars have come along way since the 70's which were an all time low for US autos but no amount of convincing on your part will change my mind on that. I warned my daughter not to buy american and she was very sorry she did . She finally bought Japanese .

The Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan/Lincoln MkZ have the Japanese Automakers worried right now.   Not even GM has a "counter" for them.   In their segment, they are untouchable in Reliability.   In Safety, they are near the top of the class.   

[Masherbrum]

BigPlay, since you're leaning towards European cars.   Nix the Porsche and get a BMW Z4 and grab the Dinan Upgrade to a Z8.   It'll cost you $20,000ish for the "upgrade", but 461bhp on a Z4 platform is fun and I've been behind the wheel of one.   

[Die Hard]

Not the best looking car I've seen though...