What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?

[Die Hard]

well....put a turbo on it, and we'll see.

there's 5.0L's out there making over 1,000 hp on turbos.

better question? what did that flat 12 make without its turbo?

 you guys need to stop trying to plug the holes in the stories with your fingers. 

That 4.5 flat-12 made about 600 hp without the turbo... 40 years ago.

If you scroll up you'll see I've posed a variety of links to euro and jap cars that make 1,000+ hp on relatively small displacement engines.

[Bronk]

There is no replacement for displacement.

Whatever you do to a small engine you can do to the big engine. The big engine is going to make more power. No getting round it.

[Die Hard]

but you know that they';re gonna argue that the cobra is an english car, right/?

 it doesn't matter to them that it was re-engineered to handle a real engine, rather than the one that ace was trying to put in them before they went under. 

The proper name for that car is the AC Cobra. Guess what the AC stands for?

And no I wouldn't call it an english car. I'd call it mid-Atlantic.

[Die Hard]

There is no replacement for displacement.

Whatever you do to a small engine you can do to the big engine. The big engine is going to make more power. No getting round it.

Yes, if you use new technology on the big engine it will make more power. Thank you for making my point.

[CAP1]

I think you forgot to post a link or something...

i just realized it. it's in there now.....or here.....

http://www.hotrod.com/newsletter/hrdp_0308_racing_engine_jr_drag_racing_league/index.html

[Bronk]

That 4.5 flat-12 made about 600 hp without the turbo... 40 years ago.

If you scroll up you'll see I've posed a variety of links to euro and jap cars that make 1,000+ hp on relatively small displacement engines.

And ya have to wind the pee out of it.  Making it very, very temperamental.  You can make that hp in a push rod v8 and make it streetable and reliable.

[CAP1]

Nah.

yes. the early grand nationals had problems if you didn;t let em cool down after boosting them.

we had a turbo honda at the track. the dude knew his chit. he had a turbo'd mustang running 7's. his honda only ran 12's. his honda also blew up ever 3 runs, like clockwork.  

his mustang was streetable, had he chosen.

[Bronk]

Yes, if you use new technology on the big engine it will make more power. Thank you for making my point.

Pushrod or OHC makes no diff on displacement and hp. Now what's more compact?

[CAP1]

Top fuel... I should have guessed.

and your point? it's 8,000 horsepower on pushrods.

[CAP1]

What ever happened to the Dodge Viper!? Sure it only has 510 Hp stock, but its good old American muscle!!! Who doesn't like a roaring V10!?!?   

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I don't care who you are, dats sexy rite dare...

those v-10's don't roar. they friggin BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Z

[Die Hard]

And ya have to wind the pee out of it.  Making it very, very temperamental.  You can make that hp in a push rod v8 and make it streetable and reliable.

All the cars I posted were street legal. And since they're all computer controlled, I can't imagine they'd be any more "temperamental".

[CAP1]

That 4.5 flat-12 made about 600 hp without the turbo... 40 years ago.

If you scroll up you'll see I've posed a variety of links to euro and jap cars that make 1,000+ hp on relatively small displacement engines.

so with 4 extra jugs, it makes about the same horsepower that a 289 ford can make....or a 283 chevy, or a 350 chevy...........and the chevys WILL be more reliable. 

[Skuzzy]

The original AC Cobras were a bit of a flop at the races.  It was not until Ford and Shelby redesigned the body, the suspension, well,...everything, that the Daytona Coupe was born.  By the way, the Daytona coupes were driven by Americans, not Europeans.  Dan Gurney and Bob Bondurant were the first team.  Bob won the Lemans in his first outing with the Daytona, and they continued to rack up enough points (they won 7 out of ten races) to win the World Manufacturer Racing cup in 1965.

The Daytona coupes would have been more sucessful had Ford not pulled the plug, favoring the Lola designed GT-40.

[CAP1]

Yes, if you use new technology on the big engine it will make more power. Thank you for making my point.

but that technology is NOT new.

[Die Hard]

Pushrod or OHC makes no diff on displacement and hp. Now what's more compact?

Pushrod and classic OHC are both obsolete technologies. I'm talking computer controlled variable-timed valves with hydraulic lifters. Some would say that those aren't even "modern" anymore since the japs and euros have been using them since the early 90s. Honda V-Tech, BMW Vanos etc.