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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #555 on: September 09, 2009, 06:36:40 PM »
Nothing better than a good ole fashion torque versus power discussion.   :devil

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it is fun.
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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #556 on: September 09, 2009, 06:38:23 PM »

i know that.

but the combustion process does not create kinetic energy. it does create something, but not kinetic energy.

Yes it creates kinetic energy and heat. The gasoline itself is stored chemical potential energy. When you burn it the potential energy is converted to kinetic energy as motion of molecules in converting to gas and heat of combustion and formation into combustion products.
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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #557 on: September 09, 2009, 06:40:20 PM »

i know that.

but the combustion process does not create kinetic energy. it does create something, but not kinetic energy.

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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #558 on: September 09, 2009, 06:41:46 PM »
Wrong.
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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #559 on: September 09, 2009, 06:43:40 PM »
Wrong.

Do you realize you're incorrect and proving it, regardless of the websites you visit?   :rofl
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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #560 on: September 09, 2009, 06:45:21 PM »
yup .. "too each his own."

Saw a pretty fast porsche 924 at Bakersfield a few years ago .. had a big block chebby in it, was clickin off 9's and makin it look easy.

I'll take the B&B bullets behind the 'obsolete' pushrod V8 anyday, mk thx.
It made me smile *every* day walkin out to that shape, and when she fired up, ..music.

P-cars have way too much Vee-Dub in 'em for me to consider layin out what they want for 'em.
Nothin I have ever seen or heard done to 'em makes 'em sound good, the shape just doesn't float my boat,
handling ..well .. better drivers have posted the numbers at the 'ring and other places.

GT2 next year is gonna be fun to watch.

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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #561 on: September 09, 2009, 06:48:12 PM »
Energy is found in different forms including light, heat, chemical, and motion. There are many forms of energy, but they can all be put into two categories: potential and kinetic.


Kinetic energy is motion — of waves, molecules, objects, substances, and objects. There are several forms of kinetic energy:

Radiant Energy is electromagnetic energy that travels in transverse waves. Radiant energy includes visible light, x-rays, gamma rays and radio waves. Light is one type of radiant energy. Sunshine is radiant energy, which provides the fuel and warmth that make life on Earth possible.

Thermal Energy, or heat, is the vibration and movement of the atoms and molecules within substances. As an object is heated up, its atoms and molecules move and collide faster. Geothermal energy is the thermal energy in the Earth.

Motion Energy is energy stored in the movement of objects. The faster they move, the more energy is stored. It takes energy to get an object moving and energy is released when an object slows down. Wind is an example of motion energy. A dramatic example of motion is a car crash, when the car comes to a total stop and releases all its motion energy at once in an uncontrolled instant.

Sound is the movement of energy through substances in longitudinal (compression/rarefaction) waves. Sound is produced when a force causes an object or substance to vibrate — the energy is transferred through the substance in a wave. Typically, the energy in sound is far less than other forms of energy.



Potential energy is stored energy and the energy of position — gravitational energy. There are several forms of potential energy:

Chemical Energy is energy stored in the bonds of atoms and molecules. Biomass, petroleum, natural gas, and coal are examples of stored chemical energy. Chemical energy is converted to thermal energy when we burn wood in a fireplace or burn gasoline in a car's engine.

Mechanical Energy is energy stored in objects by tension. Compressed springs and stretched rubber bands are examples of stored mechanical energy.

Nuclear Energy is energy stored in the nucleus of an atom — the energy that holds the nucleus together. Very large amounts of energy can be released when the nuclei are combined or split apart. Nuclear power plants split the nuclei of uranium atoms in a process called fission. The sun combines the nuclei of hydrogen atoms in a process called fusion.

Gravitational Energy is energy stored in an object's height. The higher and heavier the object, the more gravitational energy is stored. When you ride a bicycle down a steep hill and pickup speed, the gravitational energy is being converted to motion energy. Hydropower is another example of gravitational energy, where the dam "piles" up water from a river into a reservoir.

Electrical Energy is what is stored in a battery, and can be used to power a cell phone or start a car. Electrical energy is delivered by tiny charged particles called electrons, typically moving through a wire. Lightning is an example of electrical energy in nature, so powerful that it is not confined to a wire.
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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #562 on: September 09, 2009, 06:52:08 PM »
:aok :devil

it is fun.

For the record you can't ignore RPM.  There are two variables torque and RPM, as well as a constant 5252.  It's a balancing act between the two variables.

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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #563 on: September 09, 2009, 06:58:47 PM »
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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #564 on: September 09, 2009, 06:59:32 PM »
For the record you can't ignore RPM.  There are two variables torque and RPM, as well as a constant 5252.  It's a balancing act between the two variables.

Power = torque * RPM

RPM and torque are equally important for the generation of power. Double either one and you double the power. Of course in real life there are other factors that limit both torque and RPM.


The 5252 constant is a product of (33,000 ft·lbf/min)/(2π rad./rev.) which was supposed to approximate the work force of a mining-horse.
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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #565 on: September 09, 2009, 07:07:15 PM »
Do you realize you're incorrect and proving it, regardless of the websites you visit?   :rofl

Every time you make the effort in your vain attempts to get a rise out of me you make me smile. :)
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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #566 on: September 09, 2009, 07:12:47 PM »
Yes it creates kinetic energy and heat. The gasoline itself is stored chemical potential energy. When you burn it the potential energy is converted to kinetic energy as motion of molecules in converting to gas and heat of combustion and formation into combustion products.

nope.


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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #567 on: September 09, 2009, 07:14:40 PM »
For the record you can't ignore RPM.  There are two variables torque and RPM, as well as a constant 5252.  It's a balancing act between the two variables.

very true, but the higher you take the rpm, the more it actually kind of fights against you.
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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #568 on: September 09, 2009, 07:15:47 PM »
Energy is found in different forms including light, heat, chemical, and motion. There are many forms of energy, but they can all be put into two categories: potential and kinetic.


Kinetic energy is motion — of waves, molecules, objects, substances, and objects. There are several forms of kinetic energy:

Radiant Energy is electromagnetic energy that travels in transverse waves. Radiant energy includes visible light, x-rays, gamma rays and radio waves. Light is one type of radiant energy. Sunshine is radiant energy, which provides the fuel and warmth that make life on Earth possible.

Thermal Energy, or heat, is the vibration and movement of the atoms and molecules within substances. As an object is heated up, its atoms and molecules move and collide faster. Geothermal energy is the thermal energy in the Earth.

Motion Energy is energy stored in the movement of objects. The faster they move, the more energy is stored. It takes energy to get an object moving and energy is released when an object slows down. Wind is an example of motion energy. A dramatic example of motion is a car crash, when the car comes to a total stop and releases all its motion energy at once in an uncontrolled instant.

Sound is the movement of energy through substances in longitudinal (compression/rarefaction) waves. Sound is produced when a force causes an object or substance to vibrate — the energy is transferred through the substance in a wave. Typically, the energy in sound is far less than other forms of energy.



Potential energy is stored energy and the energy of position — gravitational energy. There are several forms of potential energy:

Chemical Energy is energy stored in the bonds of atoms and molecules. Biomass, petroleum, natural gas, and coal are examples of stored chemical energy. Chemical energy is converted to thermal energy when we burn wood in a fireplace or burn gasoline in a car's engine.

Mechanical Energy is energy stored in objects by tension. Compressed springs and stretched rubber bands are examples of stored mechanical energy.

Nuclear Energy is energy stored in the nucleus of an atom — the energy that holds the nucleus together. Very large amounts of energy can be released when the nuclei are combined or split apart. Nuclear power plants split the nuclei of uranium atoms in a process called fission. The sun combines the nuclei of hydrogen atoms in a process called fusion.

Gravitational Energy is energy stored in an object's height. The higher and heavier the object, the more gravitational energy is stored. When you ride a bicycle down a steep hill and pickup speed, the gravitational energy is being converted to motion energy. Hydropower is another example of gravitational energy, where the dam "piles" up water from a river into a reservoir.

Electrical Energy is what is stored in a battery, and can be used to power a cell phone or start a car. Electrical energy is delivered by tiny charged particles called electrons, typically moving through a wire. Lightning is an example of electrical energy in nature, so powerful that it is not confined to a wire.

now, in amongst those definitions, you do have what is created by the combustion process. again, it is not kinetic energy.
 would you like another clue sir? :D
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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #569 on: September 09, 2009, 07:17:15 PM »
Power = torque * RPM

RPM and torque are equally important for the generation of power. Double either one and you double the power. Of course in real life there are other factors that limit both torque and RPM.


The 5252 constant is a product of (33,000 ft·lbf/min)/(2π rad./rev.) which was supposed to approximate the work force of a mining-horse.


so what you're saying, is that if my 560 makes 820 hp at 6400 rpm, then at 12,800 rpm it'll make 1640hp?
 :rofl :lol :rofl :O :rofl

hhmmmm........wondering about the highlighted part
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