FW190?-?/??

[BigJoe]

Can someone tell me where I might find intel on the FW190F series?  All I have is a book called the LW album and it only briefly mentions the "F" when talking about other aircraft.  Some of the things it states is  that the FW190A-5/U17 armoured attack aircraft being the fore runner of the FW190F-3/R1.  Then the FW190A-9/R12 Heavy attack fighter with 2 Mk108 installed in the outer wing parts, later FW190F-8/R12.

Just found another, stating the FW190A-5/U11 fighter bomber which became the FW190F-3/R2, ya know I gotta laugh with all the votes for the F series I'm beginning to wonder if we'd really be getting a different plane added to AH?


Any info greatly appreciated.


Where's that FW guru called RAM when ya need'em



[This message has been edited by BigJoe (edited 11-14-2000).]

[flakbait]

 http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/

Joe Baugher's page, scroll down a bit to find the Fw-190 entry.


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Whattaya mean I can't kill em? Why the hell not?!
 

[funked]

Big Joe

You have a very good point.  If you have a Fw 190A-5, you need only make changes to external and internal armament to get a Fw 190F-2, F-3, G-2, or G-3.

Likewise if you have a Fw 190A-8, then you need only change external and internal armament to get a Fw 190F-8 or G-8.

I'm pretty sure that's why HTC picked these Fw 190A variants, and we can expect to see the fighter-bomber versions in the future.

[StSanta]

Future yes, but that's at least three months from now.

I am quite baffled that we don't have LW JABO's yet.



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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}

[BigJoe]

Thanks "flakbait" and everyone for the response y'all answered many questions thanks. <S>

                 BigJoe

[funked]

"I am quite baffled that we don't have LW JABO's yet"

Ummmmmmmmm...
*checks ord loadout lists*
You do.

[BigJoe]

Must agree AH LW does have Jabo's they just don't have much of a payload but I think they are very good for taking out bases.  We found the Wgr21 very effective against ack unfortunetly it ain't worth a hill of beans for it's designed purpose right now but it's getting fixed. Sometimes our squad will put a flight of 4 A8's up and we can kill a Medium field in minutes.  We just have to make up for the lack of payload with organized numbers thats all.

I'm still hoping for the He177 with those nifty lil guided bombs for taking out those pending aircraft carriers and battleships.

  A dedicated AH LW sim driver and still having fun!  

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[StSanta]

funked, the 190A8 can carry only one egg, making the jabo role a third part role in the lines of "I wonder if we can fit a bomb on this plane..."

The P-51 had some serious thoughts produced with regards to the JABO role - hence all the big eggs and rockets. Same for P-47m, Chog, dhog, P-38, Typhoon.

Calling the a5/a8 a jabo plane because it can cary one egg is like saying the Spit IX is a dedicated jabo plane.

Would be nice to have a plane that can take ot more than one panzer before rearming. The chog can take out dozens, the P-51 at least 2.

BigJoe, it's not about being able to carry one egg - it's about aircraft roles. If we want a JABO, theF8 or G8 are the planes we want to look at - not a heavy buff interceptor or a fighter that someone attached one egg to and called a jabo. If you call the a8 a jabo, would that make the G8 an über-jabo?

Why did the Germans bother with the F8/G8? I am quite confident there was a reason that is obvious for most to see.

I challenge you allied dweebs to take only one egg every time you do jabo missions. frequently, our squad falis to capture bases because we run outta eggs to deal with flak/pnz's with.

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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}

[This message has been edited by StSanta (edited 11-16-2000).]

[BigJoe]

Good point I've seen a single P47 wipe out an entire small field, heck I was in a panzer and got killed by it's .50 cal.  Most I can get with a single 190A8 is the VH and all ack and consider the trip wasted if anything else shows up 'cause I dropped my egg and the 30mm normally (if there's any left) just bounces off most ground vehicals.  Like I said though we make up payload with numbers but even that can be troublesome at times because then you need people to 'scort those flying cinder blocks.  You also end up with a bigger response when the bad guys sees a large formation on his DAR ib one of his bases because of the numbers required to take out a field than you would with one plane that does the job of 4 A8's.

            Still havin fun and learnin' too  

[This message has been edited by BigJoe (edited 11-16-2000).]

[funked]

Santa, I'm not saying we don't need an F-8.  I'm just saying that we have some German Jabos already.  I'm using the actual historical definition of Jabo.

[juzz]

What about the 4x50kg adapter for the Me 109's? How common was it?

The LW JABO situation is about the same as if there was a F4U-1A with only one bomb instead of the -1C/D, or an early model P-47D with only a centreline rack. Or a Spitfire V missing it's 2x250lb wing bombs!  

[StSanta]

funked, if you use the broad definition of a jabo, anything with an egg that is a fighter is a jabo.

If you narrow it down a bit, and look how the nations defined their jabos, they had some models converted to fit this specific need. This is what I am talking about when I am talking jabos.

Calling the 190A8 a jabo is as precise as calling the G8 a high altitude buff interceptor - sure it can do it, but it's not its intended use. For the A8, jabo isn't even its secondary role - they developed the F8 and G8 for that, based on the A8 airframe.

This is one thing I am sticking to my guns on.



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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}

[Jigster]

Santa, just call the F's and G's attack planes and be done with it  

- Jig

[StSanta]

LOL, but the the allwhiners will say "we dun have any attack plane either!"

But they do, and they know it. And LOTS of 'um.  

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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}