Bring the StuG III or IV to AH!

[hazed-]

When it comes to armour i think perks SHOULD reflect numbers in the field.
Germany had these massive tanks sure but NOT in enough numbers.So a panther should be a perk tank i think
T34 on the other hand was incredibly numerous and so should not be perked
if I want to play as an axis tank and its a rare version(say a jagdpanther) it should be hard to aquire the privalige i think.
Masses of t34s charging small numbers of superior Axis models is how is was on the eastern front.
Kursk, the largest tank battle of WW2 was a prime example of numbers/attrition warfare.The german tanks were able to kill the russians at greater distances and ratios and had great armour but the russians could afford the losses and inevitably the germans ran out of tanks and could never launch such a large scale assault again.
Sure the russians suffered greater losses but they had so many it hardly mattered to their leaders nor did they seem to care.
Many of the russian wars were fought similarly including the finland-russian war where a small finnish army decimated russias human wave like attacks.But eventually the Finnish had to call a halt to the war and agree on losing land to the Russians.It wasnt pretty but it worked.
ThOse RuSSKi's WerE CrAZy  

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[This message has been edited by hazed- (edited 05-18-2001).]

[Pongo]

While I aggree that rarity should be an issue for wether something is perked or not, I think like in aircraft the supperiorty is more important.

Non perk-Panzer IV H, T34-85, M4a3-75

Cheaper perk M4A376(W), JpzerIVl70, Brumbar,isu122

Expensive Perk Panther VG, IS2m,JadgPanther, Tiger, Pershing

Very expensive KingTiger,SuperPershing,Panther II,IsIII

[-tronski-]

 

Originally posted by Pongo:
While I aggree that rarity should be an issue for wether something is perked or not, I think like in aircraft the supperiorty is more important.

Non perk-Panzer IV H, T34-85, M4a3-75

Cheaper perk M4A376(W), JpzerIVl70, Brumbar,isu122

Expensive Perk Panther VG, IS2m,JadgPanther, Tiger, Pershing

Very expensive KingTiger,SuperPershing,Panther II,IsIII

In that case the T-34/85 should be replaced by a T-34/76, and the 85 moved toward the expensive Perky group.
The 85 is far superior than the IV-H, and is more on par to the Panther series.

 Tronksy

[hazed-]

btw id rather see an allied tank before another axis myself.

A m4 sherman with a 75mm in desert colours please?  

THEN WE REDO THE MED SCENARIO   YAY!!!!

or snow camoflage? that white/grey on a winter type map would be great.

[Pongo]

 

Originally posted by -tronski-:
In that case the T-34/85 should be replaced by a T-34/76, and the 85 moved toward the expensive Perky group.
The 85 is far superior than the IV-H, and is more on par to the Panther series.

 Tronksy

I dont think so. The T34-85 will be faster and better armoured then the Panzer IV H but it will have similar firepower and no anti aircraft machine gun. They have very simular abilities to kill each other. If some way can be found to show the supperiority of german optics over russian(limit the zoom on the T34?) then the real ballance would be shown. Yes the T34 is supperior. But not perk supperior. The T34-76 is clearly inferior to the Panzer IVJ.  

The T34-85 is no match for a Panther. The panther is nearly as fast and has far better anti tank capability and armour protection. Its hull is borderline invlunerable to a T34-85 while its own gun can easily defeat the T34-85 out to 1.5-2k. Its ability to shoot after moving is far better then the T34.The panther is not only a perk tank but an expensive one.

The M4A3-75 might seem like a strange choice vs the 76mm version or a Firefly. But the 50 cal aamg and the rudimentery stabilization and high rof and high speed turrent traverse along with T34 level armour and speed make it a neat ballance against the T34-85 and the Panzer IVh. Obviosly not for toe to toe fights because its gun is weaker.

[Jack55]

M4 was used by all the allies and the SU. It was used in Africa, Europe, and the Pacific.  It could be used is most senerios involving tanks and still be historicly accurate (maybe not to the subtype.)
Also, there were a bunch of vehicles that used it's chassis as a base.

[Rendar]

Panther G an expensive perk?  Come on, it was the most widely produced tank in Germany from 1944-45.

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Rendar

[Pongo]

Rarity is not the issue. Capability is.
If a Panzer IVH is the tank we want to compare to, then the Panther is a very expensive perk. The Tiger 1 would be a 30 pt perk. the Panther would be a 70 pt perk the Tiger II would be a 100+ pt perk.
The Sherman firefly would be 30 the IS2m would be 70.