Mixing the Periods

[SkViper]

Agreed!

I did have one thought though while relating to your frustration about losing an hour of time because some dork ran around in a Lancaster dropping the fuel levels at 4 bases.
My thought was of the poor Germans and Japanese that must have felt this frustration in much greater depth as the Allied forces targeted strategic options such as fuel and steal supplies.
I would add, that this feeling probably just changed my thinking, and I will have to learn to live with the frustration.

SkViper

[-lazs-]

sk... think it thru.   The germans were never short of fighters and were limited in fuel only towards the end after YEARS of bombing and even then.... Not seriously.   The japs never ran out of planes or fuel.  A lone high alt lanc should not be able to close a field in one sortie much less one pass!   For him to limit fuel at 4 bases is laughable.  

Regardless... frustration builds for many reasons.   Boredom sets in also.   An early war area would be a great temporarry change of pace for most.   It would allow the introduction of early war planes.    maybe there are a few that like to fight -4 Corsairs or bearcats in P40's or Spit ones but they are rare.

Look at the problems with getting late war planes introduced.   "Perk"?   LOL  well, i would laugh but I don't think the results will be funny.   Frustrating is more like it.  Perfect way to destroy the parity of the current planeset.   Still.... How ya gonna get some of these great late war planes in the game?   Perhaps they need an area also.
lazs

[SkViper]

Personally I think the rotating Tour would work.
If tour A were 1941-1943ish, and Tour B 1943-1944, then everyone would have some plane to fit their style.
Then just alternate between the 2.
I think this would be a fair split.


SkViper

[-lazs-]

sk... I agree.  It would be a fair split but....  Fair has nothing to do with it if it alienates players.   i would love it but I admit that most would hate it.   Simmers are not flexable enough to switch styles it seems.   Heck, A new stick with different tension than the last one throws me for a loop for a while.

Every sim I have seen that tried to have PAC or early war periods lost player base.   I wish that weren't so but so far, it is.

I believe that with my idea people would have freedom to choose in a viable manner with the least impact on other peoples fun.   Perk planes are just a poorly thought out version of my idea but directed at late war planes.   Perk as a reward?   LOL... why not just punish other behavior by making them fly P39's?   That would get early war planes in the game wouldn't it?
lazs

[washout]

 

Originally posted by SkViper:
Personally I think the rotating Tour would work.
If tour A were 1941-1943ish, and Tour B 1943-1944, then everyone would have some plane to fit their style.
Then just alternate between the 2.
I think this would be a fair split.


SkViper

SK, I'm with you on this one...  As long as I get to fly a Hurricane during early war...

[AKDejaVu]

The main arena should have no aircraft limitations.

Early war aircraft need to be modeled for the sake of scenarios... if nothing else.

So what if they don't do well in the MA... I guarantee people will still fly them.  The love for the planes is there.  The challenge is there.  The desire to shoot down a late ware plane with an early war plane is there.

The historical accuracy should stay in the events.

AKDejaVu

[-lazs-]

ak that is fine but... why not have an area in the arena for early war planes that is either very hard or impossible to get to with late war planes?   Certainly some will fly early war planes under any conditions but... Most will only fly them if they have some parity (a fighting chance) no matter how much they like em.   Scenarios?   Who cares?  They hold no interest for me.  You are welcome to them tho and with my "area" idea you couyld practice in the MA against the planes that you would meet in the scenario...  

Boils down to... limiting peoples plane choice by RPS or rotating generations doesn't work... Putting early war panes in with late war planes doesn't work.  So.... Why not my idea?   Who would be hurt?   Seems win/win to me.   If you love to fly early planes you could.   in a fair environment.   If you don't... You could ignore them.   If you are like most people and just get bored once in a while you could easily switch to something different.

I am open to other ideas tho.   How do we get early war planes in the MA and make em a viable choice?
lazs

[Beurling]

Zazen flew a a8

Maybe you were thinking of pal in his dora?

One time a guy came to the arena playing as zazen. No 6 kill missions but still flying a good k/d.

He said he flew as ypsilon in wb.

Who told you he was mage? Thats interesting.

Oh one more thing every good player from wb who ive run into says he never played aw3.

I think there was alot of name stealing going on between games.

EYE

[AKDejaVu]

 

Scenarios? Who cares? They hold no interest for me.

Erm... you argue no late war vs no early war and scenarios hold no interest for you?  Wierd.

How about this.  I care.  There are times that historical is aplicable and times it is not.  Making it aplicable in the MA means limiting planes in some capacity.  I am not for limiting planes in any capacity.  People should be able to fly whatever planes they want.... good or bad.

When you want to see how a plane would do against a plane with anything resembling an attempt at realism.. you need to fly scenarios or make your own scenario type engagements.  It seems you want HTC to do this for you with the MA.  I don't.

 

You are welcome to them tho and with my "area" idea you could practice in the MA against the planes that you would meet in the scenario...

You can still do that in the training arena.  That is what it is there for.  The main arena is there so you can go anywhere and fly anything.  Two totally different arenas with two totally different concepts.

 

Boils down to... limiting peoples plane choice by RPS or rotating generations doesn't work... Putting early war panes in with late war planes doesn't work. So.... Why not my idea?

Because there is no need for it.  Segragate where it is absolutely necessary... not in the MA.

As far as why physical barriers won't work.. its because you will inevitably force people to fly late or early war planes in order to win the war.  Eventually, you'll have to take a base down there.  

Or go with one (for each country) latewar base with the bases indestructable... thus relegating the latewar plane area to a virtual furball.  Strategy be damned.  And with only one base.. I'm sure vulching won't be predominant by the side with late-war numbers.  "Go to another base"... "er... wait.. you can't".

The only real alternative is to have separated period arenas.  A very bad idea in my view since it will divide the community even more than your idea.  Put all the planes in the main arena where all planes should be available.  Put the planes in the Training arena where people can actually practice with some resemblance of historical accuracy.  Use the aircraft in historical situations in events and scenarios.

Anything else simple makes things too complex.

AKDejaVu

[-lazs-]

ak... scenerios are limited to axis vs allied and far too limited for me.   I am not trying to make the MA "historical" mereley trying to get early war planes in the game without limiting choice or parity but...   I have not tried an AH scenario so I may be wrong and I may enjoy them.... I certainly don't want them to be the only place where early war planes have parity.

Ok.... "winning (lol) the war"... you have a point.   I truly did not even think about winning the war.   I still don't care but... I would say that having the early war fields not count towards "winning the war"  would be fine.   After all, many airfields in the war were bypassed in different theatres with no affect on the war.   If each color had only 3  early war fields then a reset of the early war fields would occur when one country lost all of it's (early war) fields.  They would have no affect on the rest of the arena.   I am sure that most early war pilots would forgo the dubious (I have yet to see a win in AH) pleasure of "winning" in order to be able to fly those great early war dogfiters.   Those who live for strat would not be affected by the early war area.   Again.... you could just ignore it.

Late war.... I don't know.   Not all that interested.   It is no accident that HT developed the mid war set.   The interest and the bulk of planes that have parity lies with mid war.  Late war could be set up much as I have suggested for early war tho.   The bulk of people would still of course, fly mid war and that is where all the strat and fields (and players) would be.
lazs

[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by Beurling:
Zazen flew a a8

Maybe you were thinking of pal in his dora?

One time a guy came to the arena playing as zazen. No 6 kill missions but still flying a good k/d.

He said he flew as ypsilon in wb.

Who told you he was mage? Thats interesting.

Oh one more thing every good player from wb who ive run into says he never played aw3.

I think there was alot of name stealing going on between games.

EYE

Ah I remember hunting down Zazen at 35k in the ol' F-26...ah memories.

Almost as fun as out looping Soup while he went a' spin fighting.