Fix the 109(s) cockpits.

[Rickenbacker]

Nath, the problem with that image is that what we have in AH is a 90 degree view. The camera used to take that picture probably had a much narrower field of view, and so the bars look straight. 90 degrees is roughtly equivalent to a 16mm focal length IIRC, that picture might be taken with a 35mm or so.

This effect is more and more pronounced the closer you get to the edge, that's why the side bars are really huge in the front view, but in the 45 degree right/left views they look right (since they're in the middle of the picture, where distortion is smallest). That windshield could probably be adjusted a bit, but I think it's pretty close as it is now. I'll have to check, but I suspect that if you zoom in to get a narrower field of view the posts get less bent (or they should, judging from the photo, as your "focal length" would "go up" when zooming in).


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[Superfly]

Not trying to be an A**hole, but we've got MUCH bigger fish to fry right now (carriers, ships, new terrain, etc.) than to worry about the angle of cockpit rails on the 109.  Believe me, we've got our work cut out for us.  So, unfortunately, that is something that will have to wait until after 1.05 most likely.

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[Nath-BDP]

NOPE, WRONG, drive through.

Stop trying to spin this, the fact is that they are supposed to be vertically down not pointing inward, whats the big deal? You afraid that it'll make it easier for me to kill you or something? ;P

plz look at the other pictures in the first post and stop spinning.

plz kthx.

[Westy]

 Now you're well beyond just continuing to be an bellybutton Nath.

 I for one hope they back burner this so far back that you're grandkids will have to carry on the cry for it to be changed.

 Bad report card this term?

 -Westy

[Zigrat]

nath is right about the 109 cockpit, but super is right too, its not high priority  

they will prolly get to it for 1.06  

[Nath-BDP]

Then explain to me why people keep trying to spin this well-documented fact. Its a bit frustrating.

[Zigrat]

nath if you want to see what a 109 cockpit should look like go to
 http://www.bluebyte.net/il2-e/products/screenshots.asp?id=

its in jg/54 colors too  

[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
Then explain to me why people keep trying to spin this well-documented fact. Its a bit frustrating.

Because you don't seem to grasp the concept of how a camera does not show the same depth perception, distortion, etc, even when at the same given distance as the human eye.

Try focusing on the very top of something of parrallel lines...a door frame, window frame, a big monitor, something to that extent.

Get about a foot away, and level with the top center. Now glance down while remaining focus on the same object and note how the further away from the focus point the more it seems to slant inward.

It's just a limitation of the 3d engine, and the 109 isn't the only plane that has this problem.

[JimBear]

Without a doubt beautiful cockpits. Now all we would have to do is all go away and give Nate and Superfly 2+ years to work in peace.  

[Hooligan]

Look guys:

This picture represents a 90 degree field of view taken from a single point.  Your eyes don't work like this so some distortion is going to happen.  

Mathematically it is trivial to figure out how far apart the frame elements should be in this kind of picture for any given distance that it is viewed from.  Before you go any further why don't you actually do a little math and figure out exactly how it should look.  In fact, if you just tell me the width of the frames at the top and the bottom and how far the bottom of the frame is forward of the top of the frame, then I will do the work for you.

Hooligan

[Nath-BDP]

Uhh, anyways, the farther you go out the two lines should go towards the horizon, right? Not come together towards earth. Durr...

[Nath-BDP]

The undesputed documented fact is that those 2 bars go STRAIGHT down, they DO NOT turn in, you can see this in every pic i posted.

[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
The undesputed documented fact is that those 2 bars go STRAIGHT down, they DO NOT turn in, you can see this in every pic i posted.

Miss the one I posted?

[Jigster]

   

Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
Uhh, anyways, the farther you go out the two lines should go towards the horizon, right? Not come together towards earth. Durr...

The 109's windscreen is slanted, AH takes into this into account, where the side closest towards you will look bigger then the side furthest away(the bottom) to give the perception of depth on a 2D screen.

And again the 109 isn't the only plane with this problem.




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[BigJoe]

Sit back 12 to 15 inches from your monitor look at from any angle you want, pretend the screen is the windsheild and the plastic case are the side rails.  Now tell me is that "linear perspective" as pronounced as the screen shot of the 109 from AH?  No rocket science required here it still looked like a square box to me.

[This message has been edited by BigJoe (edited 11-17-2000).]