Fix the 109(s) cockpits.

[SkViper]

Pardon me,
Anyone notice that Superfly, one of the HTC artists, said not right now!

They have it in the Que now and poor Nathy will get his wish eventualy.

I do hope however that he can live with the outcome!

I for one hope they make it so much more realistic that he is forced to fly the 51 just so he can see outside the pit!

I think he just simply had NO FUGGING CLUE what it was like to sit with his head inside a Glass Box that is barely big enough to turn his head, let alone see over the nose.

 

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Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
Uhh, anyways, the farther you go out the two lines should go towards the horizon, right? Not come together towards earth. Durr...
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No!  the farther out they go, the closer together!
You need to go back to school!

SkViper


BTW, did you notice that when you push the posts out as we did in the edited pictures that you lose some visibility on the sides?
You are gonna lose something no matter what you do, so why not drop it?

Spanking DEFFINATELY needs to be reinstated in the American home!  ;-)

[This message has been edited by SkViper (edited 11-17-2000).]

[Nath-BDP]

 

No! the farther out they go, the closer together!
You need to go back to school!

Thats what I said ya silly nut, look over it again.


 

BTW, did you notice that when you push the posts out as we did in the edited pictures that you lose some visibility on the sides?
You are gonna lose something no matter what you do, so why not drop it?

Partly because I want realism and because there are 'front right' and 'front left' views, don't realy use the two sides.  Learn the game better before you type.

 

Spanking DEFFINATELY needs to be reinstated in the American home! ;-)

Looks like you got it too much, exclamation point boy.

[Nath-BDP]

Doesn't look vertical to me Jigster, and this isnt a head-on view.

 

[Nath-BDP]

I just noticed the same problem on the P51D, from outside the 2 bars go down and outward to the wings but from inside the go towards the engine, sucks...

[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
Doesn't look vertical to me Jigster, and this isnt a head-on view.

Um they front wind screen isn't vertical now is it?  


And this is a 90 degree angle shot from the glass. Perhaps it would be better to argue that the glass is slanted (from the vertical) at to great and angle? That seems to be fairly off from the actual angle of slant on the real 109's.

Ah yeah, like I said, lotsa planes have those little distortions.

[SOB]

 

Originally posted by SkViper:
Spanking DEFFINATELY needs to be reinstated in the American home!  ;-)

Nath's a teenage boy...i'm sure there's plenty of spanking going on in his home  


SOB

[GRUNHERZ]

Hi

Jigster linear perspective would not produce  such a strong effect at only 1 foot away. The effect we have in here is extremly exagerated. Try this with a book measuring about 8 by 12 inches. Hold it 1 foot away with the 12 inch side down and slant it about 60degrees, and then come and post that the 8 inch sides slant in as much as they do in the AH 109 canopy. The fact is the effect is wildly overdone in AH.


VERY IMPORTANT POINT HERE NEXT!
To everyone who says the cockpit picures from RL 109 dont show it accurately becuse of suposed camera 3d limitations.

The effect of  "linear perspective" is a monocular depth cue, that is it works with only 1 eye, or in 2D , or WITH A CAMERA, so a camera will pick it up. It is NOT a binocular or 3D depth cue.
Cameras do pick up on linear perspective, here is a repost of my headon picture of 109, notice the canopy top is narrower than bottom. The camera picked that up very clearly. It is a monocular depth cue!

Please note the camera picks up the linear perspective effect from the 109 canopy supports and shows the top as being narrower than the bottom.
 

thanks GRUNHERZ

[Rickenbacker]

Nath, post a picture taken from the pilots point of view with a 16mm lens, i.e. what we see in the game today. Then we can argue about it.


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[StSanta]

Nath is right: compare

 

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Allied uberdweebs; sometimes the Luftwhiners actually have a valid point. And when we do, we'll become uber arrogant  .

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[funked]

Ricken it's 18 mm I think.  Either way I agree with you.  I'm not convinced that the AH model is wrong.

Santa:  Looking at the two pictures in your post, couldn't we conclude that the nose of the 109 is also way too fat in AH?  Shall we change that too?    

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 11-18-2000).]

[Nath-BDP]

Hey funked, go look at the P51 windscreen.  This problem is apparent in the A6m and La5 as well...

[Nath-BDP]

Funked, the 2nd pic is of a G6, notice the two bulges? Those are for the MG 131.

The first pic shows the G10 in AH, notice no bulges? Thats because they were smoothened out for aerodynamic purposes, thats why it looks 'fatter'.

[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 11-18-2000).]

[Nath-BDP]

Look at what GRUNHERZ posted, need I say more? Stop trying to spin this guys...

 

Hi
Jigster linear perspective would not produce such a strong effect at only 1 foot away. The effect we have in here is extremly exagerated. Try this with a book measuring about 8 by 12 inches. Hold it 1 foot away with the 12 inch side down and slant it about 60degrees, and then come and post that the 8 inch sides slant in as much as they do in the AH 109 canopy. The fact is the effect is wildly overdone in AH.


VERY IMPORTANT POINT HERE NEXT!
To everyone who says the cockpit picures from RL 109 dont show it accurately becuse of suposed camera 3d limitations.

The effect of "linear perspective" is a monocular depth cue, that is it works with only 1 eye, or in 2D , or WITH A CAMERA, so a camera will pick it up. It is NOT a binocular or 3D depth cue.
Cameras do pick up on linear perspective, here is a repost of my headon picture of 109, notice the canopy top is narrower than bottom. The camera picked that up very clearly. It is a monocular depth cue!

Please note the camera picks up the linear perspective effect from the 109 canopy supports and shows the top as being narrower than the bottom.

The fact is the effect is wildly overdone in AH.

And I have noticed that the inside of cockpits is like the reverse of the outside... this is apparent in the p51 where the windscreen bars go out towards the wings from external view and in RL pics but from the cockpit they move towards engine.

[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 11-18-2000).]

[funked]

Nath I know the P-51D and other planes have the same "problem".  The "problem" is perspective.

The dimensions on the 109 framing may well be wrong, but with the AH optical setup (90 degree field of view) things are going to look different from inside the cockpit than from outside the cockpit.

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 11-18-2000).]

[Minotaur]

 

Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
no edited screenshots neccesary just look at this picture
   

Looks like the first horizontal bar above the sight is also modeled a little to high in AH.  It should be lower, other wise I concur with Nath.



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