B-17G-65-BO 43-37516 TONDALAYO

[Knite]

You know (and Krusty don't take this wrong or anything, you're a great guy), but I have to agree Larry.  It's almost like playing that someone in golf or any other sport and saying "Hey, even though you're beating my brains out I Saw this, this, and this wrong with your swing.  You need to fix that right away to become good..."

You don't think Tiger Woods has a swing coach? I garuntee you he not only know someone whom does exactly that, but he PAYS them to do it.
There is nothing wrong with a little constructive criticism.

However, I'm not sure I understood Krusty's, due to the tone and lack of details. Krusty, are you talking about it unworthy due to some error in the skin or issue, or just the fact that it was a "training bird"?
If the former, I'm sure using a bit of tact in the comment would help 5pointOh make his skin even better! If the latter, isn't it really Hitech's call whether or not it gets in game?

5pointOh, any chance you can get a bigger/closer/higher res screenshot to see detail better? It might just be my screen but it comes out really dark and hard to see.
  for the hard work!

[5PointOh]

406th Night Leaflet Squadron
When the 406th Squadron designation was turned back to 8th Air Force following the reorganization of 13 August 1944, it was given to a special squadron at Cheddington composed of B-24s and B-17s. Unlike the daylight bombers, who dropped their leaflets at high altitude, and the Carpetbaggers, who dropped their propaganda by hand, the 406th NLS flew at medium altitudes and dropped sophisticated leaflet “bombs” in cardboard cylinders which dispersed the leaflets over a wide area. Additionally, because they were involved later in the war, most of their propaganda was directed toward destroying the enemy’s. will to fight.   

So I'm not sure where the "training mission" comes from.

[Plazus]

Great work on the B17, Coprhead!

[lyric1]

Sorry for digging this one back up after all this time.

I found a colour photo of this plane thought it was worth posting.

[Krusty]

training flight shot down by friendly fire... I still don't think it has any place in the game.

[Guppy35]

Bomb symbols on the CO's bird would seem to indicate it was used operationally Krusty.   What the  caption appears to state is that it got lost and was hit in an Allied flak belt.  This happened any number of times to operational aircraft.

[EskimoJoe]

lol

QFT.

[lyric1]

It was a propaganda bomber it dropped leaflets if I remember correctly.

[colmbo]

training flight shot down by friendly fire... I still don't think it has any place in the game.

Can you not read well or something?  Where do you get "training" flight?  They were returning from an operational mission.

Take a valium dude.

[Guppy35]

It was a propaganda bomber it dropped leaflets if I remember correctly.

Flying over Germany prior to the friendly fire on it's return.  Sure seems like a combat bird to me.  Just cause it didn't drop a bomb, doesn't mean the crew wasn't flying combat.  The 17s of the 406th NLS were stationed with the 305th BG.  Again the mission symbols are for operations.  It wasn't just flying around England

[beau32]

Take a valium dude.

He needs more than to do that.....

[Krusty]

milk runs, aka leaflet drops, were essentially training runs or "bye weeks" if you're a football fan. There was as little chance of meeting the enemy as possible, and considering the fact the plane was specially painted all black it was exclusively flying only leaflet drops. Or training missions. Perhaps it WAS technically combat.... But then even the desk jockey manning the requisition desk in England was technically in combat.


Doesn't mean it was particularly action oriented.


Such missions were assigned for a number of reasons, but the areas being "pampletted" were not the most hostile, nor were they defended much.



P.S. It was doing this in March 1945. The war was a few weeks from over at the time.

[Krusty]

By the way, I have nothing against the name.... There were many a good and valiant Tondelayo B-17s and B-25s... Any of which would be a great addition to the skins list. This was only added as a gimmick because "it was black! OMG! Must have in-game!"

well, not literally but I see that knee-jerk reaction in a number of skins. Including, say, training skins for N1k2s and captured skins for other planes. Let us not revisit the "a black P-38 would be awesome!" sentiment that took many years to squash (and many years to get OUT of the skins list!).


There is a higher standard for these skins than the random IL2 stuff you find. Being a relevant combat skin (not a training skin, or not a captured skin, or not an unarmed circus formation skin, etc) is a key part of any of these skins in-game. I find this one lessens that standard.

It's the principle of the matter, not the skin itself. I think he did an okay job on the skin itself. I want to point that out.

[Guppy35]

milk runs, aka leaflet drops, were essentially training runs or "bye weeks" if you're a football fan. There was as little chance of meeting the enemy as possible, and considering the fact the plane was specially painted all black it was exclusively flying only leaflet drops. Or training missions. Perhaps it WAS technically combat.... But then even the desk jockey manning the requisition desk in England was technically in combat.


Doesn't mean it was particularly action oriented.


Such missions were assigned for a number of reasons, but the areas being "pampletted" were not the most hostile, nor were they defended much.



P.S. It was doing this in March 1945. The war was a few weeks from over at the time.

They started Operations in September 43 Krusty.  2,302 operational sorties flying over Germany and as far as Norway..  Seems to me they were taking the risk like everyone else.  They carried guns for a reason.  They actually claimed 3 E/A kills and 1 damaged so apparently they ran into the occasional night fighter.

[oboe]

Reading how she went down makes me angry.

How many 4-engine enemy bombers would appear over Harwich in 1945?  As opposed to being a lost Allied bomber?

Trigger happy flak crew.