Bad Connection Kick

[VonMessa]

Not always.

Within the situation described by the quote I used from you.

Those guys you see warping all over the place have "breached" the capabilities of the smoothing code because their acceleration (in all three dimensions) is changing faster than his connection can transmit and the code can't keep up with it.

Random, unpredictable movement of the controls on an already slow connection can definitely NOT help the situation.

[LLogann]

So..... No Comment?  Am I that far off base?

What is truly amazing in this post is that with what you are describing, but problem is with your connection not some other persons, and hence it is you who should be kicked. Damage lag is do to your connection and not do to the other persons.

HiTech.

And now that I am thinking about it.........  I'd bet many a warper are trying too hard to have good graphics in game.

The best path might just be if HTC figured a way to code it so if your system is not "very good," the game will automatically lower detailed terrain/water.  Automatically makes you lower settings that might make the box they fly on a little bit better performance-wise.

Only a box that passes all system checks can be allowed to play at max FPS, 1024, Detailed graphics.

Does that make any sense?

[Anaxogoras]

What is truly amazing in this post is that with what you are describing, but problem is with your connection not some other persons, and hence it is you who should be kicked. Damage lag is do to your connection and not do to the other persons.

HiTech.

There can be delay in damage scored from the shooter to the host.  That follows by definition from a slow FE->host ping plot.

Is there some miscommunication here?

[hammer]

Logan, trying to use graphic settings that are beyond your system's capability will not cause you to see warps. It can cause you to have low frame rates and possibly stutters / mirco-screen freezes, but not to see another individual warp from one location to another.

Regards,

Hammer

[Anaxogoras]

So..... No Comment?  Am I that far off base?

LLogann, from what I understand, your frame rate does not have an effect on warping.  What can cause warps is if you have processes running in the background that are checking for updates, or whatever might interfere with your connection.

I'll let HT give you the definitive answer though, as I'd also like to hear an explanation of his claim that damage delays only occur in the host->FE direction, and that the FE->host direction has nothing to do with it.

In February there was the Comcast issue and I had 3 discos.  I posted my pingplots for skuzzy and he seems to have solved the issue, as I've had 1 disco from March through today.  Lastly, if I did have a crap connection, I would relog.  And if for some reason I didn't, I think it would be just and fair for the host to boot me provided that my connection was bad enough.

So, even if it turns out that the warping I saw last night was due to my own connection (though I doubt it), my wish still stands.

[hitech]

Anaxogoras : by delayed damage, do you mean damage you received on your plane? Or damage you did on the other plane?

HiTEch

[LLogann]

Ah but I'm not talking about mine......  I'm just fine, fully functioning.  I'm just saying if the game automatically "dumbs down" the weaker computer's settings, that it may help.  Am I way off base?

Logan, trying to use graphic settings that are beyond your system's capability will not cause you to see warps. It can cause you to have low frame rates and possibly stutters / mirco-screen freezes, but not to see another individual warp from one location to another.

Regards,

Hammer

[Anaxogoras]

It was something I saw happen between two aircraft other than mine.  I'm sorry I don't have film, but this is what happened:

Aircraft pass nose to nose, about 2 seconds pass, then I see tracers from one aircraft and the other guy blows up (no collision).  The player who was killed saw the same thing I saw, i.e., nose to nose pass, 2 seconds go by, then he's in the tower.

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I should add that the guy who scored the kill is someone I've labeled as having a lousy connection on numerous occasions in the past.

[Anaxogoras]

Looking at his score and discos, his connection (the lagger) has improved over the recent months.  This is after 27 discos in May.

[hammer]

Ah but I'm not talking about mine......  I'm just fine, fully functioning.  I'm just saying if the game automatically "dumbs down" the weaker computer's settings, that it may help.  Am I way off base?

Yes. Warping is purely a connection issue. Smoothness of the game, all the way down to visible stutters, is a computer resource issue. However, with resource issues, the whole world stutters, not just a single plane. Some may call that warping, but I don't believe it is what we are talking about here.

Regards,

Hammer

[nub001]

Your asking HTC to take a baseball bat to their own customers.

Sorry but I don't see this one happening.
Connections are just not that static, they are always changing, with the ebb and flow of traffic.

Think it through from HT's point of view instead of from yours once.

  i was thinking more like a machete instead but a baseball bat is good

[Ghosth]

Condescending, no sir, not at all.
Your asking for a change, I just asked you to look at the problem from more than just YOUR viewpoint.

Funny how your reply shows how incapable you are of doing that.

I don't care who you are, or how good you are, or even how long you've been here. When your asking for something that could impact everyone, you really need to think the issue through from all sides.

As for your last comment, which is better, lose a guy like you here and there. Or lose 10-20 a night because your dumping them off the host.  Net connects are not perfect, and with increased use they are going to get worse. AH does disconnect you from the host once a certain point is reached. If you try to disconnect everyone from the host who warps, eventually the servers will be empty.

You sound a little bit condescending here.  I don't need that, thank you.

The issue I'm bringing up is a reason for me to cancel my account, so it is just as relevant to HTC's bottom line as it is to the value I get for my money.

[Bino]

IMHO, this is an issue that should at least be monitored.  It only takes but one lousy connection to make a negative impact on everyone around.  I'd bet that we've all heard the gripes on range channel when that happens.  If nothing else, it interrupts the suspension of disbelief.

And since there is already code in place to drop from UDP to TCP and then to disconnect when various thresholds are reached, perhaps this could be addressed be something as simple as twiddling those numbers...?

[guncrasher]

IMHO, this is an issue that should at least be monitored.  It only takes but one lousy connection to make a negative impact on everyone around.  I'd bet that we've all heard the gripes on range channel when that happens.  If nothing else, it interrupts the suspension of disbelief.

And since there is already code in place to drop from UDP to TCP and then to disconnect when various thresholds are reached, perhaps this could be addressed be something as simple as twiddling those numbers...?

nothing you can do to people with lousy connections, actually I feel sorry for them because they cant trully enjoy the game.  one of my sqad buddies has this situation and ends up logging in frustration.  the problem really should be directed at the people who conveniently warp when you get on their six.  I record all my flights and had a nice collection of 3 people who would always warp when i got on their six or when they lost they advantage they had on me. but unfortunally lost all of the films when my system crashed 2 weeks ago.  I dont see warpers as much as last year and ow they're a rare breed.  I dont think any of the guys I recorded play the game anymore. just record the flights and report to ah when u have more than a couple of films, that way u can "prove" that it was "on purpose " and not just a freak connection.




semp

[Anaxogoras]

Semp, you can direct your squad mate to skuzzy.  Give him a tracert and he'll do wonders for your connection.  I had a bad month with 3 discoes back in February, gave skuzzy a tracert, and since then I've had one disco in 6+ months.