Japanese Navy

[RipChord929]

Interesting hypothetical concerning Midway:  

What if, LOL, (after the loss of the 4 carriers), Yamamoto had decided to come straight on with the Main body of the Combined Fleet?  He still had 4 light carriers with him, full airgroups.. And gunpower beyond belief!!!
The invasion force and bombardment group, was well within striking distance as well!!!

While the USN was spent!!! And the B17's (all that was left) from Midway had made 7 drops on the Jp fleet during the battle, and didn't hit doodlysquat!

What would Nimitz have ordered?  Round two?

RC

[Nemisis]

What else, wouldn't you? I mean did we have no light carriers with us? And even if we didn't, we still had 2 or 3 correct? I doubt that the USN was so beat up as to have been unable to sink a couple of the carriers and some troop ships.

[Sabre]

I for one would like to see some additional ships, though of different types rather than different nationalities.  I would like to see: battleship (Bismark, Yamoto, King George, Iowa...take your pick), destroyer (what we have now is a destroyer escort), LST (would act like the hanger on an airfield as a minumum, i.e. kill it and you have no LVT's or PT's), Liberty Ship equivalent (different flavors, such as tanker, troop carrier, ammo; all playing the part the bunkers play on land).  Another possibility for the LST would be to allow players to actually beach it, lower the ramp, and have it act as a spawn point for non-amphib GVs).

[Clone155]

Don't listen to the P-38 drivers. (whispered loudly) They like to think they are the CEO's of HTC and decide who is worthy of posting. (normal voice) They are good pilots and think they are better than everyone else and use bully tactics because they could beat about half of us in a fight.

P38 drivers good? I laugh out loud.

[Ack-Ack]

Jelousy? I was saying they can beat the newbs. Or do you not count them as players untill they've passed the initation ritual  ?

Oh, we can beat just more than noobs, any of us will be more than happy to show you first hand 

P38 drivers good? I laugh out loud.

Offer is extended to you as well, but I imagine you won't accept it since you just hate to be proven wrong 


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[RaptorL]

Hears a 3D model I found on the Internet that someone designed of the Akagi Aircraft Carrier. http://www.the3dstudio.com/product_details.aspx?id_product=115254

[Nemisis]

Oh, we can beat just more than noobs, any of us will be more than happy to show you first hand 

Offer is extended to you as well, but I imagine you won't accept it since you just hate to be proven wrong 


ack-ack

Clone...it appears as if we have just been chalanged. I can't fight since my account got locked (credit card it was on got cancled) and I have to wait till Chrismas to get a new one, so you will have to defend our honor. I belive I shot down a couple of SAPP pilots, so it shouldn't be too tough unless Ack Ack is the best of the best. See ya's in the new year!!!!!

[EskimoJoe]

It's a good idea, I like it, but there are other things that need to come first. For instance, there are still a handful of planes that need to be remodeled first. (The C-47, lancaster, mossi, SBD, tbm, and C2s to name a few)

[Sabre]

Interesting hypothetical concerning Midway:  

What if, LOL, (after the loss of the 4 carriers), Yamamoto had decided to come straight on with the Main body of the Combined Fleet?  He still had 4 light carriers with him, full airgroups.. And gunpower beyond belief!!!
The invasion force and bombardment group, was well within striking distance as well!!!

While the USN was spent!!! And the B17's (all that was left) from Midway had made 7 drops on the Jp fleet during the battle, and didn't hit doodlysquat!

What would Nimitz have ordered?  Round two?

RC

Definitely an interesting hypothetical.  In Newt Gingrich's book, "Day of Imfamy", he explores what would have happened if Yamamoto had personally commanded the Pearl Harbor attack. He posits that, unlike Nagumo -- who was chastised for not following through with a third wave at Pearl Harbor -- Yamamoto would have stuck around and delivered a killing blow (take out the dry docks, tank farms, sub tending facilities, etc).  However, when push came to shove, Yamamoto arguably backed down at Midway, even though on paper he still had the advantage even after loosing the four fleet carriers.  The thing is, from Yamamoto's point of view, clouded as it was by the fog of war and devastating moral damage done to the IJN at Midway, his decision to withdraw was the logical choice at the time.  Remember that Midway Atoll itself was not that significant a strategic objective.  It was more important to the US defensive strategy than it was to the IJN's offensive plans.  Yamamoto was some 300 to 500 miles away with the main body, with little hard intel of what the IJN carriers had run into.  All he really new is that a) Midway's airfield was still intact and defended; b) he'd just lost 70% of his air power (the light carriers were meant to provide aircover for the main body, and not provisioned for extended offensive ops); c) his strike fleet had damaged and MAYBE sunk one or two USN carriers (they actually hit Yorktown twice, but didn't know it was the same ship).  He really had no idea what he faced at that point.  Add to that the fact that the remains of the withdrawing strike fleet was still be harrassed by carrier based air (Tone was hit and sunk while attempting to withdraw), and the consumate gambler Yamamoto decided to fold rather than go all-in.

The US on the other hand had lost most of their torpedo planes, but didn't loose all that many SBDs or Wildcats.  Enterprise and Hornet were unscathed, and the USN personnel were feeling invincible.  They were far from spent.

[guncrasher]

Sabre have you ever considered running for office, since you already are a master of the number one rule in politics. "If you dont understand something, make sure nobody else does."   

semp

[Karnak]

Sabre have you ever considered running for office, since you already are a master of the number one rule in politics. "If you dont understand something, make sure nobody else does."   

semp

What Sabre wrote was easy to understand.

[Fencer51]

Tone was not sunk at Midway.  Mikuma was sunk after a collision between her and Mogami.

Tone was lost at Kure in July 1945.

And Yamamoto was highly over rated and not the true author of the Midway attacks.  It is like giving credit to the head of the company for the design of a successful widget.

[Nemisis]

What Sabre wrote was easy to understand.

agreed, it was actually pretty easy.

[Ack-Ack]

The US on the other hand had lost most of their torpedo planes, but didn't loose all that many SBDs or Wildcats.  Enterprise and Hornet were unscathed, and the USN personnel were feeling invincible.  They were far from spent.

But Spruance was reluctant to pursue the retreating Japanese fleet because of the very real risk of running into the Japanese surface fleet, which included the battleship Yamato, at night and have his cruiser escorts overwhelmed while not being able to launch airstrikes. 


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[Ack-Ack]

Sabre have you ever considered running for office, since you already are a master of the number one rule in politics. "If you dont understand something, make sure nobody else does."   

semp

What Sabre wrote was easy to understand.

Facts are something that confuses semp, just look at the other threads he's posted in where he's been faced by overwhelming facts that prove him to be incorrect.


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