Wirble turret got you down? Here's a quick fix......

[oakranger]

Why?  No one has provided any credible evidence as to why the Wirbelwind needs to be perked, just like no one has been able to provide credible proof as to why the Spitfire Mk XVI needs to be perked.


ack-ack

Well just looking at K/D  stats for the Wirble in the last three months...WW is king, by far.

August

                         Kills            Deaths    Kill/Death Ratio
Me 163B             1121    153                7.28
Tempest             4958    797                6.21
Me 262             3341    570                5.85
Tiger I             9150    2481                3.69
F4U-4             3139    1246                2.52
F4U-1C             6803    2771                2.45
Sherman VC       30066    13254            2.27
Wirbelwind           38329    19659            1.95

July
Me 163B             1462    208                 7.00
Tempest             5512    862                 6.39
Me 262             4504    832                 5.41
Tiger I            10934    3106                 3.52
Sherman VC    42623    17530         2.43
F4U-1C             7576    3358                 2.26
F4U-4             3128    1447                 2.16
Wirbelwind            43128    23437         1.84

June

Tempest            5219              750                 6.95
Me 262            3355              618              5.42
Me 163B              636              138           4.58
Tiger I           11783     3118         3.78
F4U-4             3133     1207         2.59
F4U-1C            6985             2823         2.47
Sherman VC    44099    17964         2.45
Wirbelwind           39673    23348         1.70


Still want to argue that it should not be perk cupcake?

[Lusche]

Still want to argue that it should not be perk cupcake?

Yes.

Because basically the Wirbel is getting his kills because his enemies choosing to die. Every plane can simply stay away from a Wirbelwind. Every tank, even an M8 can easily kill it.
Once a Wirbel is identified rolling to an enemy field, he is only getting his kills because fighters do insist on flying down his barrel. A single bomb will end his existance easily.
I'm all for an ENY adjustment (hordes with Wirbels rolling to town), but perking it is by no means necessary in any way.

[usvi]

Yes.

Because basically the Wirbel is getting his kills because his enemies choosing to die. Every plane can simply stay away from a Wirbelwind. Every tank, even an M8 can easily kill it.
Once a Wirbel is identified rolling to an enemy field, he is only getting his kills because fighters do insist on flying down his barrel. A single bomb will end his existance easily.
I'm all for an ENY adjustment (hordes with Wirbels rolling to town), but perking it is by no means necessary in any way.

[BiPoLaR]

Still want to argue that it should not be perk cupcake?

Yes mam sugar lips

Look, If you die by a GV while in a plane. Then you messed up. You got too close. As Lusche said. Take a bomb and get it over with. Stop with the  and deal with it. You die, YOUR BAD.Dont fly as close next time.

Or do you like playing in rush hour highway traffic hoping you don't get smacked by a car?

Oh and it dies way more than anything else, Its K/D shows that

[oakranger]

Oh yea, getting killed by one as far as 3k means i mess up?

[waystin2]

I'm all for an ENY adjustment (hordes with Wirbels rolling to town), but perking it is by no means necessary in any way.

I actually supported this idea with the pre-turret change Wirbel.   I no longer do.  The Wirbel is much easier to take out of action than it was previously.

[MjTalon]

Oh yea, getting killed by one as far as 3k means i mess up?

Wasn't a wirb. Was a Ostwind. WW 20mm shells max range is 1.5k where as the Ostwind's is 3.5k.

[RufusLeaking]

According the Germans it wasn't, at least against aircraft, otherwise they wouldn't have drawn up plans to swap the  2 cm Flakvierling 38 L/112.5 for the 3.7 cm FlaK 43 that was used in the Ostwind.

However, the 2 cm Flakvierling 38 L/112.5 was very effective against infantry and soft skinned vehicles.

ack-ack

Anyone else require 10 minutes to figure out that 2 cm = 20 mm?  How about 0.0002 hm guns?

Ack-ack is just showing off his mad metric skills.

[Shuffler]

... and 20mm is .7874"

20/25.4 = .7874

[Ack-Ack]

Still want to argue that it should not be perk cupcake?

It does not create an unbalance in the game play, the main criteria to perk an aircraft or ground vehicle.  Why doesn't it unbalance the game play?  Because anyone can:

• Spawn a tank and kill the Wirbelwind
• Spawn a bomber and bomb the Wirbelwind
• Spawn a fighter or attack plane and bomb the Wirbelwind
• Most fighters in the game can take out the turret in the Wirbelwind

All one needs to do is take out the turret in the Wirbelwind and you've rendered it completely useless, which is just as effective as destroying it.  No, definitely not a candidate to be perked.


ack-ack

[oakranger]

Wasn't a wirb. Was a Ostwind. WW 20mm shells max range is 1.5k where as the Ostwind's is 3.5k.

Nope, it was a WW

[Lusche]

Nope, it was a WW

Distance or altitude 3k ?

[BiPoLaR]

Oh yea, getting killed by one as far as 3k means i mess up?

If you fly straight long enough for them to get the lead on you then once again, YOUR BAD

[oakranger]

Distance or altitude 3k ?

from their icon i see 2-3 k

If you fly straight long enough for them to get the lead on you then once again, YOUR BAD

i didn't. 

[BiPoLaR]

from their icon i see 2-3 k
i didn't. 

I only see 1.5k from them, but it might be my settings IDK bout that

And for him to get ya like that was nothing but pure luck on his end