And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?

[B17Skull12]

I'll tell you how.  When you keep choking you gotta win your way out of it.  Instead Ohio St. keeps getting the token top 10 ranking.  This year it was #6.

Look at the Top ten today.  Do you notice anything interesting about one of those teams?  I'll help you.  Choklahoma is the only team that has 1 loss and is in the top 10.  It's the same BS that happens every year.   USC and Ohio ST. are #12, and #13.  Look how far other teams fall when they get 1 loss.  Va tech lost to Alabama who is still unbeaten, therefore you can make an argument for them.

Ohio St. was a 2pt conversion away from being 1-2.  Please tell me why they are ranked so high.  Please try.  Michigan is 3-0 yet they are ranked 23rd.  I'm no Mich. fan, but they havnt lost.

Since schools like Ohio St and Choklahoma keep getting a high preseason rank and then choke in the big games after all the hype, year after year, you start to get a reputation.

And remember, the players may come and go, but Stoops,Tressel, and their systems stay constant. 

favorite this.  Will be the best college football post all season.  You can also add usc to that mix in losing to unranked team but they still stay high in rankings.

[DMBEAR]

MONEY!  Thats how.

 

[alskahawk]

 
  There is no dominate college football team..yet. USC traveled to Ohio State and scraped out a win, then lost to unranked Washington. Which puts a bit of a quality of loss for Ohio State. Florida wins over unranked SEC opponent Tennessee. Texas wins over Texas Tech. Neither dominated their games. They won. They posted good efforts and looked sloppy at times. On the first game of the year, Alabama wins against Virgina Tech. After three games Virgina Tech is ranked  71st offensively and 84Th defensively. Quality win? Not yet. Ohio State and USC are good teams. Top 15 easy. Top ten? Not yet. Ohio State will have trouble in November when they travel to Penn State and Michigan. USC could win and be back in the top ten by mid October and by November?  They have the best talent pool in the country.  Ohio State has visited the top five for the last time this year. Alabama, Florida, LSU. What can you say? SEC schedule. It beats up teams and spits out champions. One of these teams will probably fight for the championship in January. Texas, Oklahoma. They meet October 17Th.

   As for the Big Ten, the top four teams are Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, and Iowa. If you had to pick a top two, it would Ohio State and Penn State. Ohio State and Michigan should win easily this week. In the best game of the week, Iowa travels to Happy Valley to start conference play against the Nittany Lions. Iowa has a decent offense and a solid defense. Look for Iowa to struggle offensively as they have three offensive starters out this week. Defensively Iowa has 6 interceptions and 2 blocked field goals. Like Iowa, Penn State has struggled offensively at times but they have posted solid defensive efforts. Seven o'clock Saturday night!

Florida, Texas and Mississippi should post easy wins this week. Cal outpaced lackluster Minnesota to win in the final quarter last week. California and Boise State are probably the most suspect teams in the top ten rankings. The Bears could get picked off at Oregon. LSU and Boise State should both post wins this week. Miami travels to Virginia Tech. Miami should win..but...its a ACC match up. Then they host Oklahoma. Oklahoma gets a extra week to prepare for the trip. Historically Miami is talent rich. So you can't expect Hurricanes to be a also ran for long. 

[DMBEAR]

  There is no dominate college football team..yet. USC traveled to Ohio State and scraped out a win, then lost to unranked Washington. Which puts a bit of a quality of loss for Ohio State.   Do you mean it makes the loss look worse? Florida wins over unranked SEC opponent Tennessee. Texas wins over Texas Tech. Neither dominated their games. They won. They posted good efforts and looked sloppy at times. On the first game of the year, Alabama wins against Virgina Tech. After three games Virgina Tech is ranked  71st offensively and 84Th defensively. Quality win? Not yet. Ohio State and USC are good teams. Top 15 easy. How can you say this about Ohio St. after they barely beat Navy? Top ten? Not yet. Ohio State will have trouble in November when they travel to Penn State and Michigan. USC could win and be back in the top ten by mid October and by November?  They have the best talent pool in the country.  Ohio State has visited the top five for the last time this year. Alabama, Florida, LSU. What can you say? SEC schedule. It beats up teams and spits out champions. One of these teams will probably fight for the championship in January. Texas, Oklahoma. They meet October 17Th.

   As for the Big Ten, the top four teams are Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, and Iowa. If you had to pick a top two, it would Ohio State and Penn State.  Not if I had to pick. As of now I'd pick Penn St. and Michigan.  They have no losses. Ohio State and Michigan should win easily this week. In the best game of the week, Iowa travels to Happy Valley to start conference play against the Nittany Lions. Iowa has a decent offense and a solid defense. Look for Iowa to struggle offensively as they have three offensive starters out this week. Defensively Iowa has 6 interceptions and 2 blocked field goals. Like Iowa, Penn State has struggled offensively at times but they have posted solid defensive efforts. Seven o'clock Saturday night!

Florida, Texas and Mississippi should post easy wins this week. Cal outpaced lackluster Minnesota to win in the final quarter last week. California and Boise State are probably the most suspect teams in the top ten rankings. The Bears could get picked off at Oregon. LSU and Boise State should both post wins this week. Miami travels to Virginia Tech. Miami should win..but...its a ACC match up. Then they host Oklahoma. Oklahoma gets a extra week to prepare for the trip. Historically Miami is talent rich. So you can't expect Hurricanes to be a also ran for long.  

I agree w/ your initial statement that there is no dominant team as of yet.  But as far as the thread is concerned and in your post, assuming OU and OSU are top 10 teams after what they have shown to this point seems wrong to me, and it adds to the claim that they are overrated.  You lose you drop.  If you are OU or OSU you drop a little and you move back up quickly.  If you are anyone else, even if you beat OU(BYU) they kick you outta the top 15 as fast as they can.

So you tell me.  You have 2 teams that have 1 loss.  They happen to have played each other.  Who do you rank higher?  I'd choose the team that won.  I know that sounds crazy.

BYU should be ranked ahead of OU.  BYU is #19 OU is #10

Washington should be ranked ahead of USC.  Washington is #24  USC is #12

Of course thats only if you go by what has been done on the field.

[alskahawk]

 I think you misread what I wrote.  I do not consider that OSU will be top 5. I stated that. They may creep back into the top 10 because the voters, their schedule and lack of another loss. As for the loss to USC. If USC was the dominate team of past, then this loss to USC would may have been a lesser factor. An early year loss to the potential champion.
 So a average USC won over a average Ohio State team. USC will probably still run the PAC 10 this year. As far as the OSU vs Navy win. Yes they barely won. The first game of the season. Which is also why I don't give Alabama much props for the win over VT. The first game is an unknown for both teams. This is not to tear down Navy. They have actually made to a bowl game or two in the last couple of years.

 Now look at Ohio State's schedule. Their toughest game in October is Wisconsin. The Wisconsin game is a home game. Wisconsin will probably lose 2 or 3 games in conference this year. They also have Indiana, Purdue, New Mexico State and Minnesota in October. There is a chance they could lose to one of these teams. A very small chance. The probable scenerio is that, Ohio State gets into November without another loss, then they could ease back into the top 10. Remember teams like USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State and a few others seem to get considered where others don't. Which leads into why certain teams get ranked above other teams as in your example; USC vs Washington.

 Michigan has a tougher October schedule. On the road to cross state rival Michigan State. Edge to Michigan, possible loss. On the road in Iowa City. Iowa has one of the best home records in the conference over the past few years. Iowa has a good team. Not a automatic win for either team here. Penn State plays in Ann Arbor this year. There are a lot of possible scenarios. Penn State loses this weekend. Then its Iowa, OSU and Michigan. But Iowa has one of the toughest road schedules in the country. That is the one instance of it coming down to Mich/OSU. There are a lot of ways it won't. Penn State wins, Michigan loses to either MSU, Penn State or Iowa. Then its Penn State and OSU. OSU loses to Wisconsin at home.

[oakranger]

I agree what you are saying there DMBEAR.  What are you opinion why teams like BYU, Houston or Washington rank higher then the team they just beat?  

[alskahawk]

 "So you tell me.  You have 2 teams that have 1 loss.  They happen to have played each other.  Who do you rank higher?  I'd choose the team that won.  I know that sounds crazy.

BYU should be ranked ahead of OU.  BYU is #19 OU is #10"

 We have seen this situation before, a smaller school from a smaller conference gets ranked until they meet a large conference powerhouse. Then they get blown out. It shouldn't be this way but it is, early losses count less than late season losses. Wins by small schools over big schools count less than wins between two powerhouses. Even though Washington beat USC their odds of winning the Pac 10 haven't improved that much. USC still has the best talent pool in the country. Put it this way. If you were going to bet either Washington or USC for the year. You get one team to put your money on every game for the year. Which team are you going to bet on? Washington?

[DMBEAR]

I think you misread what I wrote.  I do not consider that OSU will be top 5. I stated that. They may creep back into the top 10 because the voters, their schedule and lack of another loss. As for the loss to USC. If USC was the dominate team of past, then this loss to USC would may have been a lesser factor. An early year loss to the potential champion.  They should be outta the top 15 based on this year...not the past.
 So a average USC won over a average Ohio State team. I'd say a below average USC beat a below avg OSU as evidenced by USC losing to Washington and OSU almost blowing it at home to friggin Navy. USC will probably still run the PAC 10 this year. What has made you believe this? History? They barely beat an overrated OSU or was it because they killeed San Jose St.  I know it wasn't their play against Washington. As far as the OSU vs Navy win. Yes they barely won. The first game of the season. Which is also why I don't give Alabama much props for the win over VT. You don't see the difference in beating Va tech on a neutral site from the #6 team barley beating unranked Navy at the Horseshoe? The first game is an unknown for both teams. This is not to tear down Navy. They have actually made to a bowl game or two in the last couple of years.

 Now look at Ohio State's schedule. Their toughest game in October is Wisconsin. The Wisconsin game is a home game. Wisconsin will probably lose 2 or 3 games in conference this year. They also have Indiana, Purdue, New Mexico State and Minnesota in October. There is a chance they could lose to one of these teams. A very small chance. The probable scenerio is that, Ohio State gets into November without another loss, then they could ease back into the top 10. That would be fine if they were undefeated at THAT point.  My point is that they may well be in the top ten after this next week.  Remember teams like USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State and a few others seem to get considered where others don't. Which leads into why certain teams get ranked above other teams as in your example; USC vs Washington.   You really make my point for me here.  That is the definition of overrated.
 Michigan has a tougher October schedule. On the road to cross state rival Michigan State. Edge to Michigan, possible loss. On the road in Iowa City. Iowa has one of the best home records in the conference over the past few years. Iowa has a good team. Not a automatic win for either team here. Penn State plays in Ann Arbor this year. There are a lot of possible scenarios. Penn State loses this weekend. Then its Iowa, OSU and Michigan. But Iowa has one of the toughest road schedules in the country. That is the one instance of it coming down to Mich/OSU. There are a lot of ways it won't. Penn State wins, Michigan loses to either MSU, Penn State or Iowa. Then its Penn State and OSU. OSU loses to Wisconsin at home.

I guess you are ranking based with assumptions of what will happen.  I prefer ranking based on what has already happened.

[DMBEAR]

We have seen this situation before, a smaller school from a smaller conference gets ranked until they meet a large conference powerhouse. The school from the smaller conference BYU beat the Top 5 team from the BIG 12 OU. Then they get blown out. It shouldn't be this way but it is, early losses count less than late season losses. I guess thats the old system you are thinking of.  I'm an LSU fan.  They lost to Arkansas on the last game of the regular season the same year they won the National championship. Wins by small schools over big school count less than wins between two powerhouses. Even though Washington beat USC their odds of winning the Pac 10 haven't improved that much.  I'd say they have. USC still has the best talent pool in the country.  I guess Holliwood Carroll needs to quit peeing in it then, cause they keep losing to unranked teams. Put it this way. If you were going to bet either Washington or USC for the year. You get one team to put your money on every game for the year. Which team are you going to bet on? Washington?  I would have bet on USC...AND LOST.

[DMBEAR]

I agree what you are saying there DMBEAR.  What are you opinion why teams like BYU, Houston or Washington rank higher then the team they just beat?  

Houston(2-0) beat Ok st.(2-1) and is ranked behind them

BYU(2-1) beat OK(2-1) and is ranked behind them

Washington(2-1) beat USC(2-1) and is ranked behind them

Ohio st. Lost to a team that lost to Washington.   Ohio St. is ranked higher than Washington.   

Clearly, some teams are just overrated at the moment.  Can't we at least make them have to work their way back up? 

Does anyone really want to see OU or OSU lose in another BCS bowl this year?  It was funny the last 3 times, but now it's just getting old. 
 

[oakranger]

Houston(2-0) beat Ok st.(2-1) and is ranked behind them

BYU(2-1) beat OK(2-1) and is ranked behind them

Washington(2-1) beat USC(2-1) and is ranked behind them

Ohio st. Lost to a team that lost to Washington.   Ohio St. is ranked higher than Washington.   

Clearly, some teams are just overrated at the moment.  Can't we at least make them have to work their way back up? 

Does anyone really want to see OU or OSU lose in another BCS bowl this year?  It was funny the last 3 times, but now it's just getting old. 
 

I agree with what you are saying.  But like i say, don't blame it all on OU or OSU for being in the Bowls that they lost.  Blame the BCS system that put them there. 

[DMBEAR]

I agree with what you are saying.  But like i say, don't blame it all on OU or OSU for being in the Bowls that they lost.  Blame the BCS system that put them there. 

   I just thought of a funny scenario.  All the other teams have two losses at the end of the year.  Oklahoma will end up playing Ohio St. for the national championship. 

[alskahawk]

 I didn't actually rank anyone. Re read what I wrote. I actually think we are saying the same thing. OSU is over rated. They will continue to be overrated. They will have the benefit of schedule in the Big Ten and because they are one of the favorites of the sporting voters they will probably creep back into the top 10. USC is in the same boat. But they have too much talent to consider that they will be a middle of pack team after one loss. And anointing Washington as heir apparent is presumptuous.  

  OSU in the top ten NEXT WEEK? That would be ridiculously stupid. What would the basis be to move them to the top 10? A win at home to Illinois? Ohio State may well have only one loss by November. You think Wisconsin is going to beat them at home? Possible not probable. Surely your not suggesting that Indiana, Minnesota, New Mexico State or Purdue are going to beat them? Believe me, I am a Big Ten guy. I cheer any conference team that beats OSU or Michigan. But I am not betting on that quartet of dogs.

 Now as far as Navy versus Ohio State. Alabama vs Va Tech. First game of the year. OSU should have won easily. They didn't. It was a sloppy win for the first game of the year. Alabama should have won easily. They came from behind and pulled it out in the fourth quarter. I think your over ranking Va Tech. VT is not that good a team this year. Their big win is against Nebraska. Nebraska may not even win the Big 12 north. And I don't think that either of us is calling Alabama into question.

[oakranger]

  I just thought of a funny scenario.  All the other teams have two losses at the end of the year.  Oklahoma will end up playing Ohio St. for the national championship. 

LOL, that would be a match that many ppl would want to see who really is over rated

[oakranger]

I didn't actually rank anyone. Re read what I wrote. I actually think we are saying the same thing. OSU is over rated. They will continue to be overrated. They will have the benefit of schedule in the Big Ten and because they are one of the favorites of the sporting voters they will probably creep back into the top 10. USC is in the same boat. But they have too much talent to consider that they will be a middle of pack team after one loss. And anointing Washington as heir apparent is presumptuous.  

  OSU in the top ten NEXT WEEK? That would be ridiculously stupid. What would the basis be to move them to the top 10? A win at home to Illinois? Ohio State may well have only one loss by November. You think Wisconsin is going to beat them at home? Possible not probable. Surely your not suggesting that Indiana, Minnesota, New Mexico State or Purdue are going to beat them? Believe me, I am a Big Ten guy. I cheer any conference team that beats OSU or Michigan. But I am not betting on that quartet of dogs.

 Now as far as Navy versus Ohio State. Alabama vs Va Tech. First game of the year. OSU should have won easily. They didn't. It was a sloppy win for the first game of the year. Alabama should have won easily. They came from behind and pulled it out in the fourth quarter. I think your over ranking Va Tech. VT is not that good a team this year. Their big win is against Nebraska. Nebraska may not even win the Big 12 north. And I don't think that either of us is calling Alabama into question.

I can see Wic and PSU giving them a really tough time, especially PSU.  Will OSU win the Big-10, no they will tie with PSU.  Then again i could be wrong with the whole thing.