I don't fire here but do break.....
Not a HO if your angled in which I think you would be to keep from hitting your team mate
That happens... non intentional
Approaching from any front point you risk a snapshot
No good unless your way outnumbered
Well, so here we go, Shuffler. On number 2, where I bail out my buddy, how big does the angle have to be to not constitute a HO? I guarantee you, ask 10 of these clowns and you'll get 10 different answers.
Of course, the proper answer is a cone with a central angle of 15 degrees...
Meanwhile, as I intended, you've just rationalized away 4 of 5 (possibly defined by others as) HOs, one with qualification. It's okay in a furball as long as it's unintentional... it's okay if you're bailing your buddy... it's okay to go into it as a fake/feint...
One man's HO is another man's ACM, or, it's kind of like porno: I know it when I see it?
I concede the point on 5, btw. It's mindless and a bad move with the Jumo out front. I'm just saying that the whole argument reminds me of talking about "fariness".
The concept needs to be well-defined before we use it as a standard. I don't see ho'ing as that well defined - except for case 5.
Also, WAYSTIN just checked his swing. What have you got on him?