109-G14

[jdbecks]

When I fly the G14, I take the gondolas as they provide enough fire power for snap shots or to down some of the more heavy armoured planes, they effect your turn rate and roll rate but you wont be fighting 1v1s but as squad. I would not bother taking the 30mm in the g14.

use the vertical and make use of your good climb rate, practice alot in the plane as the torque of the engine can also lead to you being killed. 109s need good use of the throttle... and remember to have a spare hat switch to use for trim. I also find the plane is best at mid speeds. The 109s also create alot of drag which can be useful to force an overshot if need be.

[Theirish61]

Nvr take gondies they slow u down and affect turning.




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[Anaxogoras]

Exactly.
Here's what I mean:
http://www.mediafire.com/?nyqy12yioey
The whole vid up to when I RTB is a spit fight.

I watched the first fight with the Spit that augers.  You did a nice job of suckering him into a nose-to-nose fight instead of a nose-to-tail fight, and I do the same thing routinely in the 109G-6.  We both know that when we win fights like that, it's because the poor sod in the XVI doesn't know how to use his ride's strengths effectively.  But that is not an example of "out-turning," or at the least it's misleading to call that "out-turning."  Winning a turn-radius fight is very different from winning a turn-rate fight.

[Plawranc]

I personally take the 30mm, Just get VERY close.

Thats how Erich Hartmann did it and it worked for him.

[Oldman731]

I personally take the 30mm, Just get VERY close.

Yup.  That's what makes the G14 fun.

- oldman

[Mace2004]

I watched the first fight with the Spit that augers.  You did a nice job of suckering him into a nose-to-nose fight instead of a nose-to-tail fight, and I do the same thing routinely in the 109G-6.  We both know that when we win fights like that, it's because the poor sod in the XVI doesn't know how to use his ride's strengths effectively.  But that is not an example of "out-turning," or at the least it's misleading to call that "out-turning."  Winning a turn-radius fight is very different from winning a turn-rate fight.

Unfortunently I'm on travel and filmviewer doesn't work on my laptop so I can't comment on the specific fight; however, the implication that the phrase "out-turning" only applies to either radius or rate is incorrect.  These are the two fundamental measurements of turn performance and are useful for a basic understanding and comparison of airframe capabilities; however, they alone do not completely define an aircraft's turn performance nor determine which aircraft can "out-turn" another except in a very narrowly defined situation.

There are several additional components which make up an aircraft's true ability to "turn" including P_s and handling qualities.  An aircraft with superior P_s is usually more capable of sustained turns and using the vertical to capitalize on it's best turn radius (high reversal) or turn rate (low reversal for instance).  An aircraft which has poor handling qualities can have difficulty getting the best performance in either rate or radius measurements. 

The fact of the matter is that many aircraft can, in fact, out-turn a supposedly "better turning" fighter and it doesn't matter if it's done through better radius, better rate, energy control, or, more likely, a combination of of these.  If he's in a turn-fight and gains angles through maneuvers and good choice of rate/radius combinations then he is "out-turning" his opponent. 

[Anaxogoras]

Watch the film, and then tell me if you think it's misleading to call it "out-turning."  This isn't about theory.

Edit: I was thinking about this, and I think you are right that I incorrectly implied that turn performance is only about turn rate, and not radius.  Original point still stands though, especially because the only way the 109G-14 will cut a smaller radius than the XVI is if the XVI pilot makes a mistake.