Question about a P-51 maneuver

[Shuffler]

I'm wondering why Dogfights would simulate such a move. Did someone say he did it?

Shuf, where you been? I haven't been shot down by you lately   .

I've been in LW. <S>

I have flown in MW a little when the kiddies are not on.

[danny37]

I'm wondering why Dogfights would simulate such a move. Did someone say he did it?

this flim in the OP is just a small part of that particular show,the actuall p51 pilot who claims to have done this move in that battle was explaining it during the clip.
wether he did or not idk,i was not there,but it seems kinda ridiclous for everyone to claim it cant or wasnt done as no one playing this game was there either.
and i doubt any of us has flown a RL p51 in combat to try.
and again the p51 in this game is not as manuverable as the RL one was.

[thorsim]

I'm wondering why Dogfights would simulate such a move. Did someone say he did it?

Shuf, where you been? I haven't been shot down by you lately   .

Fan boys unleashed, it's unfortunate ...

that one guy harping on and on about the "hot Rod" modified 109 that was flying circles around him,
when what happened is he finally ran up against a good pilot in a competitive plane that had an advantage at the merge, and kept it.

i think there were at least two acts of desperation in that episode that were some how put forward as some sort of ACM, and some sort of examples of how the plane was great.  

they should have focused on what made the plane great and left the anomalies alone, or at least presented them clearly as the last ditch acts of desperation by pilots/plane that had been totally out flown to the point of making their hail mary prayer of an evasive that they were.

there were good parts of that show, they should have expanded on that aspect iMO.  

... again the p51 in this game is not as manuverable as the RL one was.

how did you come to that conclusion ?

[danny37]

 

how did you come to that conclusion ?

because ive seen them at airshows do things that they will not do in this game.
if you ever go to one,and theres a p51 with a pilot thats knows how to fly it
you will understand what im talking about.

[Shuffler]

because ive seen them at airshows do things that they will not do in this game.

Maybe they did things your unable to do. Probably the pilot.

[danny37]

Maybe they did things your unable to do. Probably the pilot.

yes,figured that was coming,let me put it this way then.
i saw them do things ive seen nobody in this game do!

[thorsim]

you do realize that the planes at the air-shows are somewhat different, and operating around a very different set of priorities than the planes represented here were, don't you?

because ive seen them at airshows do things that they will not do in this game.
if you ever go to one,and theres a p51 with a pilot thats knows how to fly it
you will understand what im talking about.

[Shuffler]

yes,figured that was coming,let me put it this way then.
i saw them do things ive seen nobody in this game do!

Why not ask someone who has been up in a mustang. 

[danny37]

you do realize that the planes at the air-shows are somewhat different, and operating around a very different set of priorities than the planes represented here were, don't you?

thats not completly true,some of those in airshows were the actuall p51s that flew in ww2
there are still alot of them around and were used after ww2 by many contries.
my point is none of us were there,none of us have flown an actuall 51 in combat
so how can we say it cant be done or the pilot in question was lying.

[thorsim]

thats not completly ture,some of those in airshows were the actuall p51s that flew in ww2
there are still alot of them around and were used after ww2 by many contries.
my point is none of us were there,none of us have flown an actuall 51 in combat
so how can we say it cant be done or the pilot in question was lying.

well i won't argue that the game will be different, but i think if you look into those planes you will find that they have all gone through a lot of changes since their combat configurations, and will consequently be able to do things in their new configurations that were prohibited in the POH when they were ready for war.

[Chalenge]

thats not completly true,some of those in airshows were the actuall p51s that flew in ww2
there are still alot of them around and were used after ww2 by many contries.
my point is none of us were there,none of us have flown an actuall 51 in combat
so how can we say it cant be done or the pilot in question was lying.

Define 'actual combat'... we all know Hitech has been in 'mock combat' with a real P-51 and thats good enough for most of us.

AGAIN: The video on dogfights is a very poor visual of what the pilot described and not at all accurate.

[danny37]

AGAIN: The video on dogfights is a very poor visual of what the pilot described and not at all accurate.

yes,as described in my first post to this thread.

[gyrene81]

thats not completly true,some of those in airshows were the actuall p51s that flew in ww2
there are still alot of them around and were used after ww2 by many contries.
my point is none of us were there,none of us have flown an actuall 51 in combat
so how can we say it cant be done or the pilot in question was lying.

Uh danny, the airframes (everything but the engine and prop) are actual vintage P-51s that have been refurbished to some degree using either vintage replacement parts or modern replica parts. The engines and props are a different story.
Yeah you could do some wild things in a P-51 if you wanted to but nothing you would want to bet your life on in combat with someone shooting at you.

[thorsim]

Uh danny, the airframes (everything but the engine and prop) are actual vintage P-51s that have been refurbished to some degree using either vintage replacement parts or modern replica parts. The engines and props are a different story.
Yeah you could do some wild things in a P-51 if you wanted to but nothing you would want to bet your life on in combat with someone shooting at you.

not to mention removing the guns, ammo, armor plates, usually the center tank, updating and or replacing the radios and avionics etc ...

no idea the loaded weight difference but it's gotta be thousands of pounds of benefit and a COG not compromised by the requirements of its mission.

[toonces3]

AGAIN: The video on dogfights is a very poor visual of what the pilot described and not at all accurate.

I think this quote, in addition to the .gif posted in the linked thread on the first page, are excellent answers to the original question.

The rest of the conversation is also quite entertaining though.