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Offline Wilbus

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« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2000, 04:57:00 PM »
"Fighters of World War II"

Must be a high number of books with that name but that's the one.

ISBN is: 1-84013-150-0

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Offline StSanta

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« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2000, 06:14:00 PM »
Only two planes?

Perfect; one for me, and one for my wingie.  

And don't use the numbers argument; over 200c's have been shot down already, so they should be out, too  

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Offline mx22

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« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2000, 08:49:00 AM »
StSanta,

I have an F8F waiting for me on the runway, wanna mix it up?

mx22

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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2000, 09:44:00 AM »
About the Bf-109 K-14:

Proposed engine DB605L with 2-stage supercharger and 9.6 Km "Volldruckhöhe", using 4-bladed VDM 9-12199 propeller.

Aerodynamically it probably had all the (visually very hard to recognize) improvements incorporated, that had to be skipped for the mass production of K-4.

Performance:

Using the 30 min climb/combat power:

initial climbrate: 14.0 m/s
Top speed vs altitude:
520 Km/h at 0 m
658 Km/h at 8.4 Km
668 Km/h at 9.0 Km
695 Km/h at 10.5 Km

Using the MV-50 ADI boosted emergency power:

Climbrate: 18.0 m/s (fully loaded)

Speed vs altitude:
542 Km/h at 0 m
690 Km/h at 7.5 Km
723 Km/h at 10.5 Km

Armament:
2* 13mm MG-131 over the engine
1* 30mm MK-108 thru the spinner
2* 30mm MK-108 installed INSIDE wings (so no drag penalty of gunpods)

So essentially the same armament as in K-6.

But were they ever really delivered?

Serial production never materialized, that's sure. There is an alleged assignment of 2 K-14 prototypes to II/JG 52, but it is not confirmed by the unit's CO, Maj. W. Batz. He does not remember seeing any 109's with four bladed propellers in his unit. Still, there is a theoretical possibility of prototypes delivered to operational unit during the mess of the last days of the Third Reich.

Another story by a II/JG 53 officer Maj. Julio Maimberger: At the turn of February and March of 1945 he was visited by a Daimler-Benz employee. After an obvious chat about aircraft topics, the employee said they had a Bf 109 in Malmsheim, that had all the possible improvements installed in it "from engine to cockpit" and that it was the best 109 they had. Meimberg, of course, wanted to try such a machine. After a short talk the man from DB decided to "present" the aircraft to Meimberg. Ofhr Severin, Meimberg's wingman, was to fly the aircraft from Malmsheim. He took off with the machine on March 11, 1945 but on his way he crashed into a hillside near Geislingen and died. Loss report describes the aircraft as Bf 109 Wnr 331 446, ie. Bf 109 K-4. It is highly probable that this machine was a K-4 rebuilt to K-14 standard, as it was said to have all the possible improvements INCLUDING the engine.

-Pentti.


Offline Vermillion

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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2000, 10:15:00 AM »
Hmmm.... the Luftwaffe contingent generally is the first to scream and complain about the -1C, (150 produced) an aircraft that definitely saw documented combat in multiple squadron numbers.

But then you guys step forward to support an aircraft that might have had a total of two aircraft delivered to a combat.

Come on guys, I'm starting to see a double standard evolve  

Sorry but two aircraft that may or may not have seen combat, are not production aircraft.

But hey, I will support your K14's, if you support my F2G Super Corairs. After all, there were 3 times as many of them produced.   But I will settle for the P-51H or the Yak-3P.

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Offline Wilbus

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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2000, 12:00:00 PM »
Good info Buffalo, very good indeed.
I didn't know all the history about it and if it is like buffalo says I don't want it added.
There must be confirmd flight with it to add it in my opinion.

Vermilon... nheeeeee, never mind.

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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2000, 12:29:00 AM »
and to not fell so undermodeled all yankie crap , how about a amram ,and sidevinder misile for u ??      :P

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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2000, 06:50:00 AM »
I think we're getting AIM-120's and AIM-9X's in version 1.06. Along with F-117, F-16C, F-15E, and B-52H.

c-ya