Change the plane addition criterias

[Boozeman]

"did not see combat" is convincing here because ... it did not see combat. that is your valid reason to exclude it, based on the current criteria.

That is why I'm asking to change the current criteria in the first place, and then add the F8F. 

[33Vortex]

If you think the planeset is unbalanced now... and add a plane like the F8F, you will get complaints on a new scale. There are at least 100 aircraft that could be added before the F8F. I think a priority should be the early war planes, too much emphasis is put on the late war developments. There are a lot of interesting early and mid-war planes that would be a joy to fly. Try the Fairey Swordfish for example, it served well during the war. Gloster Gladiator, the French D.520, plenty of russian bombers to choose from, the Beaufighter, the He111.

Just pick one... and it'd be a great addition. The F8F is just because you think it'd rule the sky, and yes it might but for what purpose, to improve your personal score? There are dozens of aircraft that would make new scenarios and FSOs possible, the F8F is not one of them.

[whels]

The main diff between the 152 n F8F...... 152 saw combat because the enemy was flying
over their airfields daily, The F8F had to travel 4k miles to the lines.  The F8f was a WW2
production AC, in squadron service on patrol in the pacific. It should be in AH eventually, but
later down the road.

[Chalenge]

If they add the F8F I wont need any other fighter. 

[33Vortex]

The main diff between the 152 n F8F...... 152 saw combat because the enemy was flying
over their airfields daily, The F8F had to travel 4k miles to the lines.  The F8f was a WW2
production AC, in squadron service on patrol in the pacific. It should be in AH eventually, but
later down the road.

The only reason that the He162, Ta152C, Ta154, Go229, Do335, and more... didn't see combat enough to meet the criteria set by HTC is because the allies bombed the German industry. I think in the end it evens out the playfield, so to speak. So don't suggest the F8F deserves to be included because the TA152 is.

[Nemisis]

The only reason that the He162, Ta152C, Ta154, Go229, Do335, and more... didn't see combat enough to meet the criteria set by HTC is because the allies bombed the German industry. I think in the end it evens out the playfield, so to speak. So don't suggest the F8F deserves to be included because the TA152 is.

agreed....

[Stoney]

So don't suggest the F8F deserves to be included because the TA152 is.

I will.  I'll agree that there are a multitude of other aircraft that need to be added before the F8F and F7F, but why not add them?  They aren't drawing board gadget planes--had the war continued for another 2 months, and/or had they not had to travel half-way around the world to get there, they would have met all criteria.  Heck, the F7F was even in Okinawa when the war ended, it just hadn't started operational combat missions yet.  The aircraft were certainly peers of the Ta-152, from a design perspective, even if they weren't fielded at the same time.

They are at the very end of my list of "must haves", but they are on the list.

[33Vortex]

I'd argue that the examples I gave were not "drawing board gadgets", and you should know that. I understand what you're saying and where you're coming from, but what I'm saying is that if you go there and loosen up the 'combat record' criteria it's opening a whole new can of worms that I don't think HTC need or want and frankly, not the community either. Let's deal with the cans of worms we have at hand first, before opening new ones.

[Stoney]

I'd argue that the examples I gave were not "drawing board gadgets", and you should know that.

Sorry, it wasn't my intention to infer that.  I was referring to those IL2 1946/SWOTL type aircraft that so many people come in here and request.  And, even more specifically, the comparison between the F8F and Ta-152...

[Westy]

"the criteria set by HTC"

Folks?  The truth is none of us know what the criteria is.  This "not seen combat" stuff
is simply a guess that has taken on a life of it's own over the years. Perpetuated only
because it's not been denied nor affirmed.  But it is purely a player base guess as to
why some planes may or may not be modeled.  I've never seen it stated by any of
them since the open beta ten years ago.

And +1 for what both Boxboy and whels said.  Especially whels.

As you were...


oh, Baumer that is one heck of a nice picture you posted on page 1 of the discussion! Thanks.

[Stoney]

Sorry, it wasn't my intention to infer that.  I was referring to those IL2 1946/SWOTL type aircraft that so many people come in here and request.  And, even more specifically, the comparison between the F8F and Ta-152...

[EDIT]  After some quick Wiki-ing, I'd say the Go229 was probably a drawing board gadget plane.  The others were produced beyond prototype stage.  The Ta-154 is debatable too merely because they cancelled it, and not because it was a gadget-plane.]

[33Vortex]

The Ta154 was cancelled as the glue factory that was key to building it was bombed out and completely destroyed. I agree the Go229 is a borderline, they were working on a jet powered prototype which was never finished before war's end.

[PJ_Godzilla]

Why npt just add them and make an arena in which they're fair game - like a '46 arena? In the MA's you could just perk them silly.

[RTHolmes]

interesting to note that these requests which fall outside our present criteria are always for aircraft produced at the end of the war, which are in one way or another uber compared to what we already have. never for limited number aircraft from 1939 for example.

the motivation isnt therefore to add aircraft because they are historically interesting, its purely because people want a bigger stick to wield in the MA. problem is that everyone gets access to these aircraft so any advantage is neutralised. what it does do is widen the gap between the most capable aircraft and the least, resulting in reduced usage of the less capable aircraft. it reduces diversity.

limited numbers/RL service means that these aircraft will never be used for snapshots or scenarios, so my question is: how does introducing these aircraft improve MA gameplay?

[Stoney]

limited numbers/RL service means that these aircraft will never be used for snapshots or scenarios, so my question is: how does introducing these aircraft improve MA gameplay?

Not necessarily.  I can't think of a single aircraft in the planeset that hasn't been used in a special event.

But, to answer your second question, it doesn't.  MA gameplay isn't characterized by the addition of a single aircraft, in any arena.  The MA simply is what it is.  The 163/262 have little impact on the day-to-day gameplay in the MA.  Why would any of these aircraft be different?