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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2009, 09:16:13 PM »
Germany already has Female submariners.  :banana:


Really? Any idea when it started?
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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2009, 04:16:14 AM »
From Wiki:

"Most navies prohibited women from serving on submarines, even after they had been permitted to serve on surface warships. Norway opened up every function in the armed forces to women in 1985, making the Royal Norwegian Navy the first navy to allow female crew on its diesel-powered submarines. The Royal Danish Navy conducted trials with mixed gender crews in 1985 and 1987, making no alterations to their diesel-powered subs, and allowed for female submariners in 1988.[15] The Swedish Navy made the change in 1989.[16] The Royal Australian Navy (RAN) began to allow female personnel in 1998 and thereafter Canadian Navy in 2002. Germany, Spain and Portugal also allow for females on all military functions, including submarines. In 1995, Solveig Krey of the Royal Norwegian Navy became the first female officer to assume command on a military submarine, the HNoMS Kobben."
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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2009, 12:29:17 PM »
Thanks Die Hard  :airplane:.
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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2009, 01:37:34 PM »
Party!!!

Party Boat in the Gulf.

There should just be strict non-fraternization rules and teach some maturity to the crew members and there should be no problems.  No "boys will be boys" stuff.

Or, reversible vasectomies!!

Party!!



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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2009, 03:09:44 PM »
Party!!!

Party Boat in the Gulf.

There should just be strict non-fraternization rules and teach some maturity to the crew members and there should be no problems.  No "boys will be boys" stuff.

Or, reversible vasectomies!!
Party!!
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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2009, 03:54:46 PM »
Maybe, but I wouldn't trust them.....
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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2009, 06:11:11 PM »
Does USN still use the Ohio's... I'm thinking that's the biggest thing we have?....my knowledge of boats is minimal
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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2009, 08:53:37 PM »
I have another question: What are the big 14" or 16" guns used for? Or did we finaly do away with them?
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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2009, 10:24:05 AM »
I have another question: What are the big 14" or 16" guns used for? Or did we finaly do away with them?

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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #39 on: October 11, 2009, 10:41:58 AM »
Western countries should have national service of 18 months, drawn as a lottery, absolutely NO exceptions, unless medically deemed unfit, crim record, ect. No exceptions for College, or any of that crap, if your name is drawn your going, unless there is a very, very good reason. The whole notion of an all volunteer force makes these kind of issues inevitable. You would not need females in so many roles of there were enough male recruits coming into the services at reliable #s.  The USN for instance would not need to rely on females crewing combat vessels, especially subs.

Volunteers? thats fine, and a desirable and honorable tradition, but there is nothing wrong with saying to a small percentage of citizens on an annual basis (the # would vary from year to year), that your country needs you, and you are in for 18 months, due to certain recruiting goals. This idea that we have a choice in not serving, while hiring more and more "contractors" and "outsourced services" and now females, only reyling on a very small slice of the overall citizenry is at its core, wrong headed, imho. The population over time is also conditioned to think that its ok not to participate, that "somebody else" will always do it. Is that what we want to foster as an idea?

If you dont think we wont go the same way Rome did, your wrong. At the end, few of its citizens felt it was "their" duy to fight the Barbarians, no, rather they just said "lets buy more foreign auxiliaries" while we live the good life. It worked...for awhile. 
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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2009, 10:58:21 AM »
Draft versus all volunteer force is a separate argument from this.  The gender integration of the American military is inevitable, regardless of whether or not we drafted all the men we "needed".  Society won't allow us to stop it.

As a former Marine officer, I'd just as soon not have any draftees in one of my units.
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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #41 on: October 11, 2009, 11:07:01 AM »
That's because 95% of your posts exists to merely increase the number of posts you have.

 :lol Yeah I've noticed that too.

Women will be integrated just fine into submarines, the Navy understands the issues involved.  The women will be smart and hard working and who knows, maybe this will stop those rumors about Navy guys.  :neener:
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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2009, 11:16:10 AM »
With respect, its not a seperate argument at all. The military cannot sustain its recruiting goals unless it aggresively recruits females, and thats a direct result of not requiring any of the citizenry to serve unless they ask to.

"As a former Marine officer, I'd just as soon not have any draftees in one of my units."

I hear that sentiment a lot. Quite frankly it surprises me. The first thing is that it doesnt say a lot for ones faith in its own citizenry, or the ability of a well led officer and nco corps to properly train, motivate and lead people who come to them through a national service plan. I have no doubt the USMC is up to the task if it was asked to. Im sure you would have been up to the challenge, I find it hard to beleive you never dealt with a few under your command that required some "motivating"? they couldn't have all been perfect.

Do you think they would be recruited from another planet?  they are your neighbors, your schoolmates, your own kids. We are probably talking no more than 10 percent in most years, and many of them would be very high quality people to boot. They aren't skid row bums with a grade 8 eduaction just because they got a notice in the mail. Sometimes you guys talk about it as if they would be recruited solely from the national child sex offender registry.

...In the meantime, enjoy "babes on boats", cuz thats the other option.
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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #43 on: October 11, 2009, 11:25:39 AM »
I'm thinking Vietnam era nco's could enlighten us about having conscripts in combat...I'm sure we have some in this bbs
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Re: Navy Set to Crew Subs with Female Sailors
« Reply #44 on: October 11, 2009, 12:02:38 PM »
the great things now is if your sub has a accident and you are 3 miles below the water at the bottom of the ocean and waiting your death you can die happily