P47M, thanks HTC

[Rich46yo]

A wonderful addition.

[Karnak]

Like everyone said, it is still a Jug. It is only really a Late-War plane for five minutes. Judicious use of WEP will still be vital to have it available when you REALLY need it.

Funny how that excuse works for the P-47M, but not for the Spitfire Mk XIV, which is likewise a pure fighter.

[BnZs]

Funny how that excuse works for the P-47M, but not for the Spitfire Mk XIV, which is likewise a pure fighter.

Military power you say?



SpitXVI is climbing and about as well/better on MIL than a 38, 51, or 47, or unperked Hog does on WEP....

Hmmm...does the SpitXVI's rate and radius of turn, and frankly unbelievable E retention under Gs, disappear when the WEP is switched off?

Karnak, you don't seem to comprehend the fact that top speed, maneuver, and thrust/weight don't exist in a vacuum. You don't seem to understand that is the *combination* of stellar turn performance, energy performance, and not inconsiderable speed that makes the XVI what it is. You want to underrate maneuverability, when it is a crucial factor in the way we play in the MA. To stand a fighting chance of survival, a SpitXVI does not *NEED* to be faster than a P-47 or most any of the MA outside of Zeros, Brewsters, and Hurris, which it puts to shame in top speed and E-building on MIL, let alone WEP. A P-47 or the like darn well MUST keep itself faster than the SpitXVIs though.

[Lusche]

Military power you say?

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SpitXVI is climbing and accelerating about as well an MIL as a 38, 51, or 47 does on WEP....

Hmmm...does the SpitXVI's rate and radius of turn, and frankly unbelievable E retention under Gs, disappear when the WEP is switched off?

Karnak, you don't seem to comprehend the fact that top speed, maneuver, and thrust/weight don't exist in a vacuum. You want to underrate maneuverability, when it is a crucial factor in the way we play in the MA. To stand a fighting chance of survival, a SpitXVI does not *NEED* to be faster than a P-47 or most any of the MA outside of Zeros, Brewsters, and Hurris, which it puts to shame in top speed and E-building on MIL, let alone WEP. A P-47 or the like darn well MUST keep itself faster than the SpitXVIs though.

And you underrate handling, stabilty as a gunplatform, range and durability.

BTW, you graph shows the 16, not the 14

[Karnak]

BnZ,

Your hatred of the Spitfire Mk XVI blinds you.

I was talking about the Spitfire Mk XIV, the perked, Griffon engined Spitfire.

[Bronk]

BnZ,

Your hatred of the Spitfire Mk XVI blinds you.

I was talking about the Spitfire Mk XIV, the perked, Griffon engined Spitfire.

[BnZs]

And you underrate handling, stabilty as a gunplatform, range and durability.

Range has never won a single dogfight, 90% of us load our fighters to fly the same 20-30 minutes anyway, (who EVER takes the full load in a P-51, 47N, 38???.), the SpitXVI handles just fine as a lethal gun platform, and any fragility it possesses are offset by its evasive capabilities.

[BnZs]

BnZ,

Your hatred of the Spitfire Mk XVI blinds you.

I was talking about the Spitfire Mk XIV, the perked, Griffon engined Spitfire.

But I will be *happy* to agree than a perked XIV is very, very odd in an arena with unperked XVIs and La7s.

[Karnak]

Yup, it out climbs it.  Bravo.

Care to check on speed, high speed handling, durability, stability as a gun platform, fuel endurance and so on?

The fact is that many mid-war fighters, Bf109G-2 for example, out perform the Spitfire Mk XIV when its WEP is gone.  In addition, the Spitfire Mk XIV is a pure fighter, the reason Pyro said the P-47M is not perked, and even on WEP has a difficult time escaping from many free fighters.  Where the Spitfire Mk XIV really shines is at high altitude, where no fights happen.  It so happens the P-47M also shines up there, but is also good down low where the Spitfire Mk XIV is nothing but a gangbang magnet due to its perk status.

[Stalwart]

 +1 

Flew the P47M this morning and really enjoyed it!~

[BnZs]

Yup, it out climbs it.  Bravo.

Care to check on speed, high speed handling, durability, stability as a gun platform, fuel endurance and so on?

The fact is that many mid-war fighters, Bf109G-2 for example, out perform the Spitfire Mk XIV when its WEP is gone.  In addition, the Spitfire Mk XIV is a pure fighter, the reason Pyro said the P-47M is not perked, and even on WEP has a difficult time escaping from many free fighters.  Where the Spitfire Mk XIV really shines is at high altitude, where no fights happen.  It so happens the P-47M also shines up there, but is also good down low where the Spitfire Mk XIV is nothing but a gangbang magnet due to its perk status.

Hmmm...looks like the SpitXIV should either have its inexplicable squirrel-bait handling fixed or be unperked. I prefer the former. XVI and La7 should still be perked.

[Karnak]

Hmmm...looks like the SpitXIV should either have its inexplicable squirrel-bait handling fixed or be unperked. I prefer the former. XVI and La7 should still be perked.

The P-47M out performs the Spitfire Mk XIV in all categories other than climb/acceleration and, probably, turning, yet the P-47M is ENY 10 and the Spitfire Mk XIV is ENY 5 and perked.

[BnZs]

The P-47M out performs the Spitfire Mk XIV in all categories other than climb/acceleration and, probably, turning, yet the P-47M is ENY 10 and the Spitfire Mk XIV is ENY 5 and perked.

I think the M should be ENY 5. Said it when it first came out. The P-51D should be returned to the 8 that fit it like a glove.

[jolly22]

THANKS YOU!!!!!!color]

[Krusty]

The P-47M out performs the Spitfire Mk XIV in all categories other than climb/acceleration and, probably, turning, yet the P-47M is ENY 10 and the Spitfire Mk XIV is ENY 5 and perked.

Erm... so it outperforms the spit in every way...

Except it can't turn nearly as well..

Except it can't climb nearly as well...

Except it doesn't accelerate as well...

Except it can't handle nearly as well in a dogfight...

???


Might want to rethink your statement there.