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Offline bravoa8

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Re: P47M, thanks HTC
« Reply #105 on: October 09, 2009, 04:01:31 PM »
Quote from: Krusty on October 09, 2009, 03:57:59 PM

Erm... so it outperforms the spit in every way...

Except it can't turn nearly as well..

Except it can't climb nearly as well...

Except it doesn't accelerate as well...

Except it can't handle nearly as well in a dogfight...

???


Might want to rethink your statement there.
I like it any plane is a good addition.
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Re: P47M, thanks HTC
« Reply #106 on: October 09, 2009, 04:02:34 PM »
Not discounting the plane, just his self-contradicting statement.
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Re: P47M, thanks HTC
« Reply #107 on: October 09, 2009, 04:03:42 PM »
Quote from: Krusty on October 09, 2009, 04:02:34 PM
Not discounting the plane, just his self-contradicting statement.
Oh i get what you mean.
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Re: P47M, thanks HTC
« Reply #108 on: October 09, 2009, 04:15:20 PM »
Yeah, outperforming except for turn, climb, and acceleration... isn't outperforming.
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Re: P47M, thanks HTC
« Reply #109 on: October 09, 2009, 04:44:14 PM »
See Rule #4
« Last Edit: October 09, 2009, 04:58:32 PM by Skuzzy »
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Re: P47M, thanks HTC
« Reply #110 on: October 09, 2009, 04:45:20 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on October 09, 2009, 04:44:14 PM
See Rule #4

I think some people have a knee-jerk reaction to seeing "Krusty" as the poster. He brought up a valid point.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2009, 04:58:45 PM by Skuzzy »
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Re: P47M, thanks HTC
« Reply #111 on: October 09, 2009, 04:46:22 PM »
Quote from: Anaxogoras on October 09, 2009, 04:15:20 PM
Yeah, outperforming except for turn, climb, and acceleration... isn't outperforming.
Speed doesn't matter?

Durability doesn't matter?

Roll doesn't matter?

High speed handling doesn't matter?

Range doesn't matter?

Ammo endurance doesn't matter?


As to turning, I am unsure about that, the P-47M might out turn the Spitfire Mk XIV.
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Re: P47M, thanks HTC
« Reply #112 on: October 09, 2009, 05:05:25 PM »
Karnak, we're just saying that when you say "outperforms except..." and follow up with 3 of the most important traits for a fighter, well, that's a pretty big "except."

Fwiw, I agree that the XIV being perked is silly.
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Re: P47M, thanks HTC
« Reply #113 on: October 09, 2009, 05:22:17 PM »
Quote from: Anaxogoras on October 09, 2009, 05:05:25 PM
Karnak, we're just saying that when you say "outperforms except..." and follow up with 3 of the most important traits for a fighter, well, that's a pretty big "except."

Fwiw, I agree that the XIV being perked is silly.
Two traits, not three, and the most important is speed.
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Re: P47M, thanks HTC
« Reply #114 on: October 09, 2009, 05:24:28 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on October 09, 2009, 03:32:40 PM
The P-47M out performs the Spitfire Mk XIV in all categories other than climb/acceleration and, probably, turning, yet the P-47M is ENY 10 and the Spitfire Mk XIV is ENY 5 and perked.

Climb and Acceleration are two separate traits.
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« Reply #115 on: October 09, 2009, 05:32:48 PM »
Quote from: Saxman on October 09, 2009, 05:24:28 PM
Climb and Acceleration are two separate traits.
No, they are the same trait.  They are linked exactly.  Climb is acceleration used for vertical movement.
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Re: P47M, thanks HTC
« Reply #116 on: October 09, 2009, 05:36:14 PM »
Never seen so many comments related to spit 16/14 bashing in a while.

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Re: P47M, thanks HTC
« Reply #117 on: October 09, 2009, 05:36:58 PM »
The fastest planes in the game are also the best in vert....and yes i tested them all myself.
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Re: P47M, thanks HTC
« Reply #118 on: October 09, 2009, 05:50:00 PM »
Thrust:Drag has a significant effect on acceleration.  Witness the La-7 and Tempest both out-accelerating the 109K-4, but neither climbs as well.  Therefore, it's a little misleading to say climb and acceleration are only a single category.
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Re: P47M, thanks HTC
« Reply #119 on: October 09, 2009, 05:51:23 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on October 09, 2009, 05:32:48 PM
No, they are the same trait.  They are linked exactly.  Climb is acceleration used for vertical movement.

Wrong. Climb also has a high element of lift incorporated into it. You think you could "accelerate" up with 1/4 the wing area you normally have, for example? And drag is a big element as well, 190s have good acceleration but poor climb rates because they are draggy airframes with small wings.
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