So, do you guys think a Fw190-D9 would be a perk or not?

[Karnak]

I hope the Fw190D-9 with MW50 is not perked.

Let that be the top end non-perk German fighter.  It is pretty closely matched with the P-51D so I think they'd be a good pair.  The LA7 and Ki84 should also not be perked.  I can't think of a British aircraft that matches the P-51D, they all seem to either overmatch it or be weaker than it.  

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[Nashwan]

From the figures I have seen, the D9 is more than 50 mph faster than a Spit IX below 20,000ft. It also rolls a lot faster and has better armour/survivability. If everything Britain produced after 42 is perked, then the D9 should be too.
Or don't the Axis want a level playing field?  

[SOB]

Not only should it not be perked.  It should come out with version 1.06, and be the ONLY new plane in the initial release (the rest of the planes could be added with a patch a day or two later).

Then, perhaps we could cure some of the poor LuftWafflies of their Paranoid Delusions & Conspiracy Theories!  


SOB

[xela]

Better perked than castrated  

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Vermillion:
And would you like to back that statement up?    

Of course.


And please don't tell me about the 190 with the Mk103's (which was a single test aircraft only).

Ohh no, no,sure I wont  

lets see...

Fw190A5:
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-Fw190A5/U2 Could carry wing DTs.Night fighter and intruder. ETC501 rack able to carry 4 50kg (110lbs) bombs.
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-Fw190A5/U3 Could carry wing DTs, had cowl MGs removed, and up to 1000kg (2200lbs) of bombs in different configurations. Wing DTs could be carried. Base of Fw190G3
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-Fw190A5/U8 Long range Jabo, similar weapon layout as in U3 (no MGs), but only 250Kg of bombs.
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The only Fw190A5 we have here is a standard fighter one, with either 4 or 2 cannons. No cowl MG removal possible. No 1000Kg bomb. No wing Drop tanks. No ETC 501 with four 50kg bombs.
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Fw190A8

-Fw190A8/R1: external 20mm guns removed, twin 20mm gun pods in its place (so firepower ammounted for 6 mausers)
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-Fw190A8/R2: with MK108 cannons (in AH)
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-Fw190A8/R3: Mk103 cannons (hehe sorry, couldnt resist   )
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-Fw190A8/R6:with wing rockets fitted (In AH)
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-Fw190A8/R7: Rammjäger. heavy armor in frontal side
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-Fw190A8/R8: Rammjäger. as R7 but with Mk108 cannons
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Not to mention that the buff hunter squadrons removed the cowl 13mm MGs in a regular basis, wich is not simulated in AH.

If we consider the Fw190A8 and we think in it as an F8...then we have INNUMERABLE jabo configurations not modelled in aces high.
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Me109G6/G10 (shared many schemes)

Me109G10/R1: Ventral rack for 250kg bomb (in AH) or 4 50kg bombs (NOT in AH).
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Originally posted by Vermillion:And a 109 with x3 Mk108's? I hope your not talking about the K10 (or was it K14?) because it only ever existed on paper.

Me109G10/R5: INTERCEPTOR WITH ADDITION OF A PAIR OF UNDERWING GONDOLAS CARRYING 30-MM MK108 SHORT BARREL CANNON (ahem, no not an K-14)
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Now do your calculations. No, even 30% is an optimistic % of the USUAL LW CONFIGURATIONS in RL not modelled in Aces high.

Happy now, verm?

BTW source: "The great book of world war II airplanes"

ISBN 0-517-16024-2



[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 01-29-2001).]

[GRUNHERZ]

Hi

MK108 pods were fitted to 109s tho MG151/20 were more common, but that doesnt seem to preclude armament options in AH. (chog)   So they should definatly be here too, available in G6 and G10.

The model you are referring to was the K-6, basically a K-4 with a newly modified wing with internal MK108 cannon/55rpg. This was very unusual and prolly 99% sure saw no action.

Interestingly enough its possible a few K-14 were built and given to service pilots in the last few weeks- but that is such a minor thing and so unlikely that they ever fought that it shouldnt be in here.

thanks GRUNHERZ

[Fishu]

lol... perk the LW, give them just fieschler storch.. that'll be enough easy to not be perked.

[Spatula]

From Grunherz's post in this forum.

 

SPEEDS:
Value in ( ) is most likely MW-50
Bottom of document says "Eingeklammerte Werte fur Sondernotleistung ( Start u. Notleistung mit MW-50)"

Ground level:
360 (380)mph

5,7km or 18750ft:
(436)mph MW-50 *No other value given for this alt

6,6km or 21,710ft:
426mph *No MW value given for this alt
419mph is also given for this alt???

Highest speed mentioned here is 436 MPH with MW-50. P51-D top speed 437 MPH. Mustang MkIII = 439MPH and P51-H = 487 MPH.

Mustang is still faster - albiet by 1 MPH  

I have no problem with 190 D9 being non-perked as long as i get my MkIII Mustang  


[This message has been edited by Spatula (edited 01-29-2001).]

[fats]

--- Jochen ---
and it was produced 4 times the number of F4U-1C's which is not perked.
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--- Vermillion: ---
LOL! Thats not saying much
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Guess ~800 fighters meant more to the axis than ~200 for the allied during the time each was available, even though the axis indusrty was cranking out more planes in autumn '44 than in any other period of the war. Allied prolly were stepping down production figured by the time 1C was available?


// fats

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Spatula:
Highest speed mentioned here is 436 MPH with MW-50. P51-D top speed 437 MPH. Mustang MkIII = 439MPH and P51-H = 487 MPH.

Mustang is still faster - albiet by 1 MPH  

Most sources I've read talk about Fw190D9 doing 445mph with MW50 at 20-25000 feet.

That's still only 8mph more than the P51...but its more   (death to the runstangs!!!  ).

[Spatula]

 

Most sources I've read talk about Fw190D9 doing 445mph with MW50 at 20-25000 feet.

Im not clear on how long the MW-50 can run for. From what i understand, it can (should?)be used in short bursts totally only a few minuites. Someone enlighten me plz. If so, whats the max deck speed of D9 without MW-50? The mustang can maintain its max speed *alot* longer than D9 - from what i understand.

[RAM]

MW50 was used in four runs of 10 minutes each, and then the system had to be disengaged for a while to let the engine cool down before using it again. So there was enough MW50 for 40 minutes, separated in four 10 minutes bursts.

I dont know exactly wich where the times between boosts, tho.

In AH the effect would be similar to that of the G10. 10 minutes of WEP but then a long time to cool down the engine. Not a bad compromise, IMO    


[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 01-29-2001).]

[GRUNHERZ]

Deck speed of Dora without MW-50 is 360mph, MW-50 can be implemented pretty much as it is in 109G10- with maybe a longer overall time as FW had a bigger MW tank I think.

[GRUNHERZ]

IIRC RAM rest time between full 10minute MW-50 runs was 5 minutes

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ:
Deck speed of Dora without MW-50 is 360mph, MW-50 can be implemented pretty much as it is in 109G10- with maybe a longer overall time as FW had a bigger MW tank I think.

with the fuel multiplier in AH the MW50 tank will have still a lot of methanol-water mixture while the fuel tanks are already empty