Thoughts on the P-47M

[ink]

That statement pretty much sums it up. It will excel in situations where it can keep above and maintain its airspeed, but it's still a P-47: drag her in close and turn her to death.

I disagree totally!!!

I do not like any of the other jugs, Hurri was my main ride, not any more

27 killz in M,   6 deaths.  (last night)   no not one vulch, I flew it the same way I fly the hurri, or any other plane im in.

she is a beast,    

and with my Horrible targeting skillz the amount of ammo is awesome,      


if you guys think "oh it's just another jug"    

be prepared to have that 38 or spit or LA  , being sawed in half, quit often, last night all of those and many more fell the this "Ariel buzz saw"

[R 105]

I flew the P-47M around some yesterday to get a feel for it. Today I used it on 3 sorties and got 5 kills and no deaths in it. I never use the P-47 as a fighter on less I am on a bombing run and just have to fight in it and then only if ENY is to high for a P-51D. This new 47 may change  my mind about that. I don't want to rave to much about it or it will end up perked.

[BnZs]

I disagree totally!!!

I do not like any of the other jugs, Hurri was my main ride, not any more

27 killz in M,   6 deaths.  (last night)   no not one vulch, I flew it the same way I fly the hurri, or any other plane im in.

she is a beast,    

and with my Horrible targeting skillz the amount of ammo is awesome,      


if you guys think "oh it's just another jug"    

be prepared to have that 38 or spit or LA  , being sawed in half, quit often, last night all of those and many more fell the this "Ariel buzz saw"

Yes, people underestimate the turning and slow-flying ability of a Jug, when in fact the data shows the D-40 has a smaller full-flaps radius than the P-38L. Using energy and turn *rate* against the Jug's lack of thrust/weight counters the situation fairly easily for the expert in most planes (less true with the new M of course), but the inexpert who think they'll easily own the Jug in the horizontal with a 51, La, etc, are mistaken.

[nimble]

My impressions so far vs the N:

The M feels much more floaty, the N much more linear
The N I feel is better suited for pure BnZ
The M and N are about equal in E fights as long as you are more gentle on the controls if in an M)
The M definately turns better at high speeds, but burns off E quicker because of it, almost deceptively so

I'd take up the N over the M for pure lone-wolf flying and working the edges of a horde
I'd take up the M over the N for knife fighting
If I was in a situation that I needed to cause an overshoots, I'd rather be in an N
If I was caught slow vs more than one con above 6000ft I'd prefer the N, below 6000ft I'd prefer the M
I'd rather rolling scissor in the N than M
If I was forced to stall fight, I'd rather be in the M
If I was hunting buffs, I'd much rather be in an N, it's more linear flying makes it much easier to line up those 800-1k cockpit shots or wing root shots on b24s

Survivability IMO goes to the N; the way it handles helps you conserve E much easier
For someone who wants to start flying jugs I'd tell them to start with the N, it's much better at teaching you the limitations of a jug than the M.
I'd suggest the M for folks more experienced in the 47 planeset

In the end though, they are both jugs. You have to really be conscious of your E state and keep your SA up. People tend to dive on low jugs almost as much as a 110 or similar plane for an easy kill. 47 series is a set you need to fly with some patience because once wep runs out you are in trouble if caught slow.

It feels closest to me(please be gentle SAPPers) that the M is to the 38g as the N is to the 38L.


Overall I am very, very happy with the addition of a new jug, has been my main ride for years now and I have no regrets about keeping my account active even if I stopped playing for 6+ months at a time. HTC really showed the jug pilots some love and it's muchly appreciated!
 

[nimble]

She's a beast of a performer no question but she's still a P-47. Nailed a lot of jugs this morning due to their assumption that the P-47M is going to out turn or hang with a 38 deck low. She's still a fat pig but she's just as agile but once your E is gone then she's on the chopping block.

quoted for truth

[Stoney]

So it is like the Spit XIV, a monster when it has WEP and nothing special when WEP runs out?

That's probably an accurate relative comparison.

[Oldman731]

Everyone had gone to bed it seemed, so I dropped into the DA to see if all that I read about it here was true.  The answer to that was yes and no, but I saw Creton there and we had an unusual duel away from everyone else.  By chance I had upped an I16, and Creton had one of the new 47Ms.

Being the sport that he is, he didn't b&z me, which would have been the logical thing to do, given the mismatch in aircraft capabilities.  Instead he dropped flaps and fought it out on the I16's terms.  We had quite a long and exciting fight that way, which ended when I lost control of the I16 and ate a tree.

Creton, of course, is a much better pilot than I am, but putting that aside, I was amazed by the M's low-speed performance.  I'm quite certain that I've never seen any other 1945 fighter do what Creton did in that M.  It very nearly matched the Mosca in turns, and the power let it stay co-alt or better.

I know that when we have them in AvA, I'm going to enjoy flying the M.  Really quite an amazing display.

- oldman

[oakranger]

The K/D riot will be interesting to see on the M.  I been seeing a lot of ppl landing 5-10 kills in it.

[Bruv119]

I was a little pissy about the fact that it was another US plane addition.  After further thought and killing,  I love it.   

I never really flew the jugs much at all,  as far as I was concerned they were Jabos.   When I did take one up I found that they weren't bad but just couldn't hang with some of the other uber late war rides the la 7's , spit 16's , k4's  etc etc.

The M seems to take the best from each of the other jug variants and roll it all up into one badass plane.  I would go as far to say as non perked rides go it is now one of the best, (if not thee best)  A2A fighter for late war Main arena usage.  The fuel and ammo lasts forever,  it is durable, it rolls well has speed and climb,  the slow speed handling is good with flap work.  Two of these flying wingman has even more potential.   Double figure runs guaranteed.   

[Strip]

In the pure fighter role it probably is the best USAAF plane....

[Hajo]

How many models of the P47 do we need?  I realize it was a snap to add.  Throw a M model skin on a D40 shape
and change performance.  What next?  We missing a 109 model in the inventory?  How many of one model do we really need?

Just another added to the line, latest, greatest, run and gunner.  The M model had very little effect if any on the
outcome of WWII. There are glaring..and I mean huge glaring holes in the planeset.

I personally don't need or want the mostest, greatest, fastest, with 62 machine guns or 18 cannons. What this does is add
to the feeding frenzy.

The M model is beautiful I agree.  I use the Jug in game predominantly.  There are few of us that do!
I will continue with the D40, D11, and an occasional N sortie.

I still will continue to wish for aircraft that are early to midwar.  Aircraft that actually had an impact on the
outcome of the war.

Aircraft that imho had no effect on the outcome in WWII.

Ta152, C-Hog, P47M, Me262, Me163,  maybe the P47N (although they were available in greater number then the M)
the P47N arrived in the PAC when basically air supremacy was already with the Allies.

Why don't we throw the above aircraft into their own arena and see how many will come?

We need Russian bombers and fighters, same with the Japanese planeset which along with the Russian
planeset has been lacking for years.  He111 anyone?   Bueller?  Bueller?  Pe2?  Betty????  Bueller?  Bueller?
Ki100?  Don't give me this no one will fly it.....ya get the latest, greatest, most fastest run and gunnerz
some of us would like something a bit different that actually flew in great numbers and had an impact
on the outcome of which this flightsim is based.  Not to mention the Beaufighter!  Geez....the Beau
flew in all theaters of the war and had a large impact on the outcome of WWII.  Quite frankly the M Jug
and a lot of other aircraft in this game did not. 

Some of us like the "possible" historic part of the game.  FSO somewhat historical, Scenarios are as close
as accurate as the CMs can make them.  Why should we have to substitute aircraft in Scenarios?
For instance....if the P47M would be added into a Scenario, along with the Ta152, it would have to be
in a very very narrow timeframe, and in very low number.  This fact would clearly point out their importance
to the outcome of WWII.  (there were more 262s' then ta152s)

This of course is my opinion and should be regarded as such.

[Anaxogoras]

How many models of the P47 do we need?  I realize it was a snap to add.  Throw a M model skin on a D40 shape
and change performance.  What next?  We missing a 109 model in the inventory?  How many of one model do we really need?

Yes, we are missing some 109s.  It would be good for scenarios and FSOs to also have the E-7, F2, G-6/AS, and G-10.  I can think of some 190 variants we're missing too.

For my part, if they're easy to add, the more variants the better.  In the case of the P-47M, most of the people I've seen flying it have been fighting with it, not merely gun and running.  Sure they're are some who just HO and keep going to try to HO someone else, but that has nothing to do with plane and everything to do with the pilot.  So I'm happy with the P-47M.  It's a new kick-ass ride that's fun to fly, and a challenge to fight.  I'm all for any easily added variant that raises my pulse a few notches again, which so rarely happens to me in the main arena.

That's my opinion Hajo.

[Strip]

Did it ever occur to people that different people make the 3D models and the flight models? If Pyro had nothing to do while waiting on the 3D guys....WHY NOT make another plane? I would not be surprised if this is the case, it makes sense to keep people busy. Pyro said it best,"So you what your saying is you would rather having nothing verses having something." (something to that effect anyway)

I love the 47M and if fills a big time role in my flying style, its everything I want in a plane.

 

Strip

[thorsim]

what do you think anaxogoras the FW a-7 and a-9? not sure what the criteria is though ...

as far as the juggs go they should be a great k/d choice as the juggs flown to their strengths should be untouchable.  it dominates the high ground, can pick it's fights, and extend from anything co e with the possible exception of the jet and rocket.

the juggs should rule.

Yes, we are missing some 109s.  It would be good for scenarios and FSOs to also have the E-7, F2, G-6/AS, and G-10.  I can think of some 190 variants we're missing too.

For my part, if they're easy to add, the more variants the better.  In the case of the P-47M, most of the people I've seen flying it have been fighting with it, not merely gun and running.  Sure they're are some who just HO and keep going to try to HO someone else, but that has nothing to do with plane and everything to do with the pilot.  So I'm happy with the P-47M.  It's a new kick-ass ride that's fun to fly, and a challenge to fight.  I'm all for any easily added variant that raises my pulse a few notches again, which so rarely happens to me in the main arena.

That's my opinion Hajo.

[Anaxogoras]

what do you think anaxogoras the FW a-7 and a-9? not sure what the criteria is though ...

A-9, yes, but also the A-6, A-4, A-3 and even the A-2.