Author Topic: Perk The Dora Campaign!!! (Read 1941 times)

RAM · « **Reply #30 on:** August 18, 2000, 03:52:00 PM »

Oh,man...is the most beautiful piston plane in history...

RAM-------->in love

mx22 · « **Reply #31 on:** August 18, 2000, 04:05:00 PM »

Which one? I don't see any beautiful planes on that picture

mx22

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Originally posted by RAM:
Oh,man...is the most beautiful piston plane in history...

RAM-------->in love

Karnak · « **Reply #32 on:** August 18, 2000, 04:13:00 PM »

Here ya go RAM, your favorite aircraft and my favorite aircraft, er, playing.

Sisu
-Karnak

Staga · « **Reply #33 on:** August 18, 2000, 06:44:00 PM »

I had to admit that FW looks like it's made for Fighting while Dwe.. uhh.. Spitfire is kind a cute

One Dora for me,Please

pzvg · « **Reply #34 on:** August 19, 2000, 06:30:00 AM »

Hell with it, model 'em both, after all, They
BOTH blow up real good when hit by main gun rounds

(The Ostwind is coming,prepare to die,a lot)

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GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #35 on:** August 19, 2000, 07:22:00 AM »

Hi

Im new here so I have no clue what makes a "perk" plane. The Dora, MkXIV, Tempest, 262, 109K4, Ki 100, and Ki 84 should be made as regular planes because they were there for a good part of the last year of the war. However I dont think we should have any Ta-152s, 47Ms, or 51H. Both the 152 and 47M only saw service in the last 2 maybe 3 months of the war in numbers that barely break the teens. The 51H never even entered war service. If we get into this stupid "my favorite prototype" mindset well soon end up fighting the Korean War with F-86 and Mig-15 because they might have been in some designers mind sometime around 1945.

thanks GRUNHERZ

RAM · « **Reply #36 on:** August 19, 2000, 08:38:00 AM »

For me the reason for "perk" planes is that if a plane is so good ,that as regular it can unbalance the arena, then perk it.

Nothing to do with numbers. With your teory, then ME262 should be in the regular planeset, because it was very numerous, and because it flew during the last year of the war.

Still a 550mph aircraft in regular planeset wont fit.

Same argument applied to the rest of the planes.

I never asked for a prototype plane, if not I'd be asking for a Go229. But 229 hasn't its place even in the perk planeset.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #37 on:** August 19, 2000, 09:31:00 AM »

HI
540mph yes but if you modeled its limitations right just how many spitfire or 190 diehards would jump right in it. Is that why the dora or MkXIV are not in here, because they were too effective? BTW what would be different about a perk plane as opposed to regular one in gameplay?

thanks GRUNHERZ

funked · « **Reply #38 on:** August 19, 2000, 10:23:00 AM »

Grunherz this perk stuff is mostly BS. HTC said they would make some of the new planes available on a limited basis only in future versions. It is doubtful that standard planes like the F4U-4, Fw 190D-9, Spitfire Mk. XIV, Tempest Mk. V, etc. will fall in this category as they don't outperform some of the planes we already have. More likely this category will be for jets and "what if" prop planes that never made it into battle.

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RAM · « **Reply #39 on:** August 19, 2000, 10:48:00 AM »

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Originally posted by funked:
It is doubtful that standard planes like the F4U-4, Fw 190D-9, Spitfire Mk. XIV, Tempest Mk. V, etc. will fall in this category as they don't outperform some of the planes we already have

Spit XIV would outperform all the planes we currently have here.

Its a perk plane. Sorry funked, but I wont argue any more I dont want to be involved in this thing again.

funked · « **Reply #40 on:** August 19, 2000, 10:53:00 AM »

RAM, for you to constantly root for the inclusion of the D-9, (which performs as well or better than the Spit 14 in many areas) while you insist that the Spit 14 does not belong, betrays either a blatant pro-Luftwaffe/anti-RAF bias or a lack of capability for analytical thought. Fortunately HTC are not afflicted with either of these shortcomings.

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funked · « **Reply #41 on:** August 19, 2000, 11:02:00 AM »

BTW If you don't want to be involved, don't post. I was answering Grunherz' question, not asking your opinion on the matter.

SageFIN · « **Reply #42 on:** August 19, 2000, 11:30:00 AM »

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Originally posted by funked:
RAM, for you to constantly root for the inclusion of the D-9, (which performs as well or better than the Spit 14 in many areas)

Actually, Funked, I was in belief that the Spit XIV outperformed the d-9 in quite much every other category than max speed and roll. Is there somewhere a detailed comparison between the two?

Of course, if you have the performance figures handy (I do not), maybe you could post them?

I believe, that if introduced, the Spit XIV would render Spit IX completely obsolete. I came to this conclusion while reading some former posts that indicated that the Spit XIV actually did turn as well as the IX model while simultaneously outperforming it in every other imaginable category. So then there would be two models of Spits left quite much unused.

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Karnak · « **Reply #43 on:** August 19, 2000, 12:00:00 PM »

As I sat here, gathering my Spit and Fw info, I realized that I really didn't want to get into this again. Everbody here knows that my favorite kite is the Spitfire Mk F.XIV and RAM's favorite kite is the Fw190D-9. They both had very impressive performance compared to earlier Spits and Fws, and yes, if added they would render Spit IXs and A-8s obsolete. The same is true of the C.205 to the C.202, the Bf109G-10 to the Bf109G-6, Bf109G-2 and Bf109F and the Spitfire MkIX to the Spitfire MkV. The only valid reason to not add either as a standard aircraft is if it would be too imbalancing in the Main Arena. We could discuss and argue over this forever, we have already pretty much beaten it to death. At this point we all hold our own personal opinions about it, but what really matters is something we don't know: What is HTCs opinion about it? Lets kill this topic until HTC adds BOTH the Spitfire Mk F.XIV and the Fw190D-9, perks or not. After that we will have a real context to compare their performance from within AH.

I don't know why we RAF fans and you LW fans are so antagonistc towards one another, its the Yanks that hold a disproportionate chunk of the planeset (and the top end of it as well). Lets stop fighting over this.

Sisu
-Karnak

RAM · « **Reply #44 on:** August 19, 2000, 01:38:00 PM »

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Originally posted by funked:
RAM, for you to constantly root for the inclusion of the D-9, (which performs as well or better than the Spit 14 in many areas) while you insist that the Spit 14 does not belong, betrays either a blatant pro-Luftwaffe/anti-RAF bias or a lack of capability for analytical thought. Fortunately HTC are not afflicted with either of these shortcomings.

LOL funked, good troll try

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If I taught you seriously,as telling me that a 448mph fast plane that accelerates and climbs like a me109G10 and turns like a SpitfirIX is matched by a Fw190D-9, that accelerates way slower, is way slower (22 mph), climbs WAY worse and turns only slightly better than a fw190A8...then I'd tell you to go and take your medicines

Funked,sorry that I didnt fell in this one,LOL! I have to take that post as a troll, it cant be anything else.

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